KNHav's Waterfall
Yes there is proof.
Its called beyond a reasonable doubt. We try thousands of cases per day based on innocent or guilty beyond a " reasonable doubt"
I have evidence piled high that makes it proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If the Bible were on trial it would be guilty of being true beyond a reasonable doubt.
God wouldn't be a fair judicial judge if He hid the evidence and displayed unconfirmed testimony. Your testimony if from God would be confirmed by Him.
Just as He confirmed who Jesus was then. If He does not bear witness, then the testimony is false.
The Word Spirit and Father are a cord of three strands that cant be broken. A kingdom divided can't stand.
Its not the work of God to deceive, His light reveals.
He is judicial. In His courtroom He provides abundant evidence and testimony and witness. The truth is confirmed always! Witness confirming every fact.
I can that look at facts when discussing evolution, on which you have a credible degree of facts at the core of your foundation.
So then I ask in your facts of evolution can we find a Divine Intruder?
Whereas you dismiss facts of a Book based on unfactual and falsified information, and there isn't even a discussion to have beyond that because at the core foundation you accept false information, so when discussing your objection to the Divine Intruder in the study of History, your mythological falsified facts won' t allow a basic foundation of facts at minimum to build on.
So how credible is the facts you conclude against the Bible? a stance in opposition to the faith of others. Since your foundation of facts is piled up in inaccuracies and truely "myths" since they are based on untruths, isn't that what myths are?
So isn't it ironic to build a case on inaccuracies, then use inaccuracies to conclude a lack of credibilty, by which concluding what is myth?
The outcome of conclusion should at minimum be factual with accuracies to hold up at least it's foundation, especially if dismissing basic credibility of what faith is built on in the first place.
Skeptic scrutiny is not credible if you are blindly or conveniently accepting inaccuracies to dismiss accuracies, where by doing you dismiss faith by a foundation of inaccuracies.
Then let me tell you my experience of faith. Because I am an eyewitness of that. And its real, and I'm convinced.
My faith isn't based on a mental acknowledgement of a faith that I hope exists.
I have become convinced of faith by both reason and experience. And in understanding I see clearly, and
in my understanding I am convinced.
I would think it silly to deny your way in the world based on Hell or judgement, especially if you are NOT convinced of God, or if Hell or Heaven exists.
That's like saying Buy a wedding dress, rent the hall, and pay the caterer, even though you don't have a Bride, or Groom, or engagement, or even dating someone yet!
Jesus said count the cost! He actually wants us to be convinced of our decision to follow Him, and He wants us to go in to this relationship with Him, knowing we can pay the cost, knowing its worth it, and willing to pay the cost.
And no one does that unless their convinced. So Jesus says, I want you to be convinced, because your commitment to Me needs to be on solid ground! - wise man builds a house compared to the idiot that builds a house - both go through the storm, idiots house falls, the one who is solid is convinced and holds up through the storms.
The Rich Young Ruler WANTED to follow Jesus, He even agreed with His commandments! But Jesus says, cool you are almost there, one more thing .... the Rich Young Ruler wouldn't have worked out well, at least not making that commitment on that day, why?
Jesus didn't run after him and when the disciples were like Hey Jesus, this is bad for the saving business, no one will be saved if you keep that up! He taught them then, what is needed to make a child of Light, where your heart is, there is your treasure.
And He said people need to understand the cost, for some the cost may be someone, to others something, whatever you love He knows the heart ... Abraham loved Isaac, yet by his famous test, God said, do you love your Son more than Me?
And Abraham, you can imagine how distraught the scene was, and Abraham's grief leading up to that moment, God says pass! He counted the cost and was willing to pay every last penny he had serving God. Was he convinced? Or was his faith a guess?
So I never said this argument. I said count the cost, and be convinced. I showed you every reason to believe, and I added a very honest believable and relatable set of videos to satisfy your intellect. I showed you God's Word, confirming God's Word.
I showed you His character and sensibly showed you why darkness can't stand. And why the world's Woes have grown in the darkness of Satan's seed.
And I gave you my experience, which is wonderfully wise when I was a dumb ass 5 year old, 2nd grader, and and a merging rebel. And some other fabulous encounters that were realistic, without over spiritualizing every pee and poop I ever experienced.
I think people think faith is a guess. A lucky guess! We HOPE we are right, well that's not good enough!
That's actually not what faith is at all.
Faith is being CONVINCED of things not seen!
Without faith that is CONVINCED, it is impossible to please God!
Hebrews 11
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
2 For by it the men of old gained approval.
3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. ...
6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Romans 8: 37-39
37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.
38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
There are numerous calculations and measurements in the Bible from specific measurements in building designs instructed by God and in dates and times found the Bible.
Well I dont know why God put it there. Id imagine the book is so full of knowledge and wisdom and understanding that on one side its a confirmation that there is an outside influence and showing something that specific.
Even complete to the 4th decimal place in equations beyond the writers knowledge and ability. So it was a purposeful design to authenticate it. Or sign it as authored by more than the men that physically penned it.
Also God confounds the wise and mocks fools. So when the book is opened the foolishness of academia that denied God and caused multitudes to stumble and not seek God. When it is unrolled it will both mock and judge them. The blood of those they cause to stumble will be on their hands.
As far as the math itself, Im not a mathematician, so I can only think of known application as a lay person. Pi is measurements of a circle, inside out, and across etc...
pi appears in all sorts of calculations for physics, engineering, electrical systems.
The double-helix is DNA revolves around pi. Pi is in the rainbow, the pupil of the eye, and when a raindrop falls into water pi emerges in the spreading rings. It appears in colors and in music. It is also used in probability and statistics.
So I think the placement is not a calculation as in a word problem. But all incompassing of God's creation, intervention, judgement, and salvation. He brings creation full circle from creation to fall to our redemption.
Fullness of His dwelling. Complete measurement. God uses math and measurements within the scriptures also. Like measurements of the Noahs Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. And all kinds of measurements. So measurements and math are not foriegn to the actual reading of the written text.
So hidden in verse 1 of chapter 1 in Genesis and In John 1: 1 is profound and absolute design written by more than the pen of men!!
Gen 6 - Ark Measurements
14 Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.
17 Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
Romans 8
38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And "e" found in John 1: 1 Would be measurements of exponential growth. Which is what happened bt the Jews initially rejecting the Messiah.
Causing it to go out to the Gentiles. But also prophesied to come full circle, and lift the veil. To make a round trip so to speak, to reveal to the Jews also so in the end they also see the Messiah as who He is, Jesus.
Completing His creation full circle! And His salvation saves exponentially.
In Bible Codes, some are far out and take it far out. But some are a signature of Divine Authorship. And these ones are definitely signatures as if He etched His Word with His own hand.
Pi found in Genesis 1: 1 and adv math e found in John 1: 1.
These aren't spread out, found in difficulty, and in need of twisting. These two adv math codes are found, each found using within one verse. And each one found separately in chapter one of two seperate books, written in two separate millennials, in written in two separate languages. And the nature of interpretation works with what is there from the ancient text.
And the odds of them occurring at any point at all within all 66 books of the Bible is in probabilities of unreasonable proportions.
What do you think is the probability of a few of these together found coded in the Bible? If just musing at first glance, wouldn't you say, " no way?" I'm not even saying in the whole Bible. What is the probability all these are found in only six books out if 66?
As for me, I dont think a calculation is needed to tell me that is an unreasonable probability in calculations of a snowflakes chance in Hell!
Even crazier, pi and e are coded in two different languages, Hebrew for Jews and Greek was a time period of the Gospel's progression out to the Gentiles.
And both verses state "In the beginning," so they each speak of a time period of Creation and in Jesus as the Creator. And advanced math equations not known yet for 1000s of years to come.
In Genesis 1: 1 pi equation is encoded, in creation of the world and universe and in God stitching prophesy into appointed times to bring Creation full circle.
And in John 1: 1 in Greek while the Gospel is propelled out to the Gentiles, you find in verse one the equation for e, which is compound interest, multiplying exponentially.
So even the equations found communicate the purpose of the event. And even the Bible Author God, divided these times by purpose as shown in the 1st verses of these two books, Genesis and John. Then to add to this timetables for dating history is BC and AD.
So the Bible notes each beginning with a math equation. Then took the division of time line for dating history. And then add TORH TORH YHWY HROT HROT in the beginning of each of the five books of the Bible at intervals of Bible numbers of importance in the written text throughout every book of seven and forty-nine .
These singuarly are a stretch against reasonable probability, but for all to be right there on the top, not buried or crazy, together all these are proof of God and His Word. All of these together are impossible odds without Divine Authorship. Together these are more than just an oooh wow, these are against odds of probabilities that are not even be conceivable.
Now in contradiction beween the improbability of two faiths.
A comparison between Christianity and Evolution as ecplanation of Creation.
So on one hand, Evolutionism states strands of DNA self assembled and mutated and against all odds of occurance and against all odds of science principles and without any evidence of a physical example in front of our eyes, we are told to believe it. And that it is factual.
Then you take just these few pieces of many in evidence, tangible and available to view in everyone's individual hands. With everyone having the ability to test it, and even count out the codes for themselves, and literally proving itself in person from the beginning and in person showing agsinst all odds He not only created, but He put it in writing against all odds to prove it!
You have to be evil or an idiot to at least not step back and say there is more to God and the Bible than I currently think. Maybe I should look further!
There are numerous calculations and measurements in the Bible from specific measurements in building designs instructed by God and in dates and times found the Bible.
Well I dont know why God put it there. Id imagine the book is so full of knowledge and wisdom and understanding that on one side its a confirmation that there is an outside influence and showing something that specific.
Even complete to the 4th decimal place in equations beyond the writers knowledge and ability. So it was a purposeful design to authenticate it. Or sign it as authored by more than the men that physically penned it.
Also God confounds the wise and mocks fools. So when the book is opened the foolishness of academia that denied God and caused multitudes to stumble and not seek God. When it is unrolled it will both mock and judge them. The blood of those they cause to stumble will be on their hands.
As far as the math itself, Im not a mathematician, so I can only think of known application as a lay person. Pi is measurements of a circle, inside out, and across etc...
pi appears in all sorts of calculations for physics, engineering, electrical systems.
The double-helix is DNA revolves around pi. Pi is in the rainbow, the pupil of the eye, and when a raindrop falls into water pi emerges in the spreading rings. It appears in colors and in music. It is also used in probability and statistics.
So I think the placement is not a calculation as in a word problem. But all incompassing of God's creation, intervention, judgement, and salvation. He brings creation full circle from creation to fall to our redemption.
Fullness of His dwelling. Complete measurement. God uses math and measurements within the scriptures also. Like measurements of the Noahs Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. And all kinds of measurements. So measurements and math are not foriegn to the actual reading of the written text.
So hidden in verse 1 of chapter 1 in Genesis and In John 1: 1 is profound and absolute design written by more than the pen of men!!
Gen 6 - Ark Measurements
14 Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.
17 Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
Romans 8
38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And "e" found in John 1: 1 Would be measurements of exponential growth. Which is what happened bt the Jews initially rejecting the Messiah.
Causing it to go out to the Gentiles. But also prophesied to come full circle, and lift the veil. To make a round trip so to speak, to reveal to the Jews also so in the end they also see the Messiah as who He is, Jesus.
Completing His creation full circle! And His salvation saves exponentially.
In Bible Codes, some are far out and take it far out. But some are a signature of Divine Authorship. And these ones are definitely signatures as if He etched His Word with His own hand.
Pi found in Genesis 1: 1 and adv math e found in John 1: 1.
These aren't spread out, found in difficulty, and in need of twisting. These two adv math codes are found, each found using within one verse. And each one found separately in chapter one of two seperate books, written in two separate millennials, in written in two separate languages. And the nature of interpretation works with what is there from the ancient text.
And the odds of them occurring at any point at all within all 66 books of the Bible is in probabilities of unreasonable proportions.
What do you think is the probability of a few of these together found coded in the Bible? If just musing at first glance, wouldn't you say, " no way?" I'm not even saying in the whole Bible. What is the probability all these are found in only six books out if 66?
As for me, I dont think a calculation is needed to tell me that is an unreasonable probability in calculations of a snowflakes chance in Hell!
Even crazier, pi and e are coded in two different languages, Hebrew for Jews and Greek was a time period of the Gospel's progression out to the Gentiles.
And both verses state "In the beginning," so they each speak of a time period of Creation and in Jesus as the Creator. And advanced math equations not known yet for 1000s of years to come.
In Genesis 1: 1 pi equation is encoded, in creation of the world and universe and in God stitching prophesy into appointed times to bring Creation full circle.
And in John 1: 1 in Greek while the Gospel is propelled out to the Gentiles, you find in verse one the equation for e, which is compound interest, multiplying exponentially.
So even the equations found communicate the purpose of the event. And even the Bible Author God, divided these times by purpose as shown in the 1st verses of these two books, Genesis and John. Then to add to this timetables for dating history is BC and AD.
So the Bible notes each beginning with a math equation. Then took the division of time line for dating history. And then add TORH TORH YHWY HROT HROT in the beginning of each of the five books of the Bible at intervals of Bible numbers of importance in the written text throughout every book of seven and forty-nine .
These singuarly are a stretch against reasonable probability, but for all to be right there on the top, not buried or crazy, together all these are proof of God and His Word. All of these together are impossible odds without Divine Authorship. Together these are more than just an oooh wow, these are against odds of probabilities that are not even be conceivable.
Now in contradiction beween the improbability of two faiths.
A comparison between Christianity and Evolution as ecplanation of Creation.
So on one hand, Evolutionism states strands of DNA self assembled and mutated and against all odds of occurance and against all odds of science principles and without any evidence of a physical example in front of our eyes, we are told to believe it. And that it is factual.
Then you take just these few pieces of many in evidence, tangible and available to view in everyone's individual hands. With everyone having the ability to test it, and even count out the codes for themselves, and literally proving itself in person from the beginning and in person showing agsinst all odds He not only created, but He put it in writing against all odds to prove it!
You have to be evil or an idiot to at least not step back and say there is more to God and the Bible than I currently think. Maybe I should look further!
A message from the heart to debaters who fight in favor of evolution. Forst of all for the purpose of debate, clarity of terms is important.
Adaptation is not evolution no matter how you define it. The inclusive definition needs to be removed for the origin debate. So we are clear we are speaking from onset!
Adaptation takes a formed life form and adapts within its own fully formed makeup. It doesnt adapt by becoming a different creature.
Evolution defined as used to describe the establishment of life and nature as we sknow it is not adaptation. As a term used in the debate of Creator vs self creation of evolution.
So please stick to the definition. Adaptation is subtle. Evolution is creative in a foundational sense
Adaptation would be darkening of pigmentstion or lengthening a nose to adapt to changing atmosphere. But there is no drastic changes needed for evolution.
I dont argue and poke fun out of a dislike for you. I am hoping at some point you will question reasonably and logically some of the things you accepy as truth and isnt founded in science or logic or reasoning.
I am not being mean or cruel, I'm challenging you for a greater purpose, to question and weigh reasonably.
Like evolution starts aftwr life forms are already in process and builds on it, balancing nature in the process to foster the evolving life forms and to support its progressive action to its current presentation.
Yet when proof of the Bible has connections confirmed, in front of your face, it is denied.
Arent these connections similar. Yet at least with the Bible evidence is tangable and visible, and not just assumptive, as seen in the foundation of the biginning of life, the first life form that assembled itself to start with, then the balancing act needed to progress from the beginning.
Neither of these at the foundation are logical, no matter what biology connects similarities, and no matter what adaptations we see after the fact of a living thing at its completion.
There is only evidence of biological simillarites. Not sound science in the beginning of the first formed living thing. Nor in the balance required beyond that, with entropy working against it from the creation of the first cell, and naturally beyond that!
Creatures with eyes have eye genes. But its a big jump to then say life formed and stabilized out of nonliving matter.
Its a religion of idiots.
Its the greatest insult to the Creator. The actual creator.
Man being a god created himself out of a process from nothing.
Man breathed life into himself out of evolving from a combination of dead matter.
Not even another god, a nothing god ... the earth was void, unformed, darkness over the deep. Into nothing He brought forth life, into chaos He established the balance for life to continue.
And evolution is the god nothing. The self god, nature and man created self by selection of the best. The self made man, evolved from nothing.
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If God exists, and His Word is credible, then yes, I wouldn't have a reason not to.
I don't know that we need to explain everything under the sun to establish if at the very least the Bible is credible in historical docomentation and pre-written history as documentation.
If all other things are accurate and truthful then it's reasonable to Consider Adam is also possibly just as credible.
This is entertaining
Weigh the evidence!
My take on immorality is Eternal Life.
What is Light?
Can it be in three time periods at the same time?
Is there a place in the speed of light where time stands still?
Is God known as Light?
Does He give Eternal Life?
Did anyone writing the Bible understand the speed of light, or was that a scientific realization of modern day?
Then how or why would light and eternal life and Omnipresence meaning every where at once and Omniscience, knowing all things past present and future, why do you think light and these characteristics of the person who IS Light would somehow appear together, as characteristics found in God, who is The Light?
Again did these ancient writers understand the science of Light?
Reasonable doubt- this is credible evidence
It is not likely and is not usual - as a matter of fact it is HIGHLY unlikely and EXTREMELY unusual!!
Here is part of the historical event of Steven's Martyrdom
Notice his stoners coats were laid at Saul's feet.
Saul after murdering Christiand, has an unusual transformation and personally experienced an encounter with the Risen Jesus.
Saul goes from killing them to the greatest winner of souls. And by those actions fullfills PROPHESY!! And his dramatic conversion pushes the gospel out from his own countrymen to Gentiles, (other Nation other than Israel) and is well know even from those he was in league with while severely persecuting Christians.
Matt 24
14“This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Isaiah 11
10 "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, who shall stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious."
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So like it, or not this IS reasonable evidence, and along with 2000 prophesies that have already been fulfilled in detail!
With only 500 to go, and some of those are in process!
Evidence FOR GOD is mounting!!!
Stephen was martyred as murders placed their coats at Saul's feet.
SAUL Later became PAUL, and went on to become a valiant Appostle of the faith he was a murderer in war against Christians!
What changed?
Acts 7
51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. 52 Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; 53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”
54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him. 55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse. 58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.
Answer 1 - God? Your answer is a cop out, convenient answer, almost playing it safe - if there were such a thing. It's a response to a question that is answered without effort to seek an answer.
Answer 2 - Jesus? Your answer lacks real consideration and thought.
A forensic atheist decided to take the gospels and any other writings in and out of the Bible to find and expose lies, conspiracies, or whatever was at the bottom of this faith.
Forensic pros look for the lies and inconsistencies in writings, they piece together lies, and conspiracies through comparing documents, writing styles, and types of phrases or words used, and in comparing records, but with a specific focus to find and point out any falsified information.
A devout atheist, even raised as atheist, after looking at the gospels determined from the study, that without a doubt, the 4 gospels, are 4 individual writers, who all witnessed and recorded the same things as in a manner of one writing a truthful account by eye witness, and in clear consistet accounts from their personal experiences and memories.
Not just 1 small chapter, these accounts are chapters long of their eyewitness accounts. Details so impressive, they couldnt forget.
All the teachings and parables and miracles, they each saw and heard, and had witnessed themselves over a 3.5 year time period.
The previous atheist forensic said, Even the inconsistencies that do exist in the writings are actually affirmative indicators of the accounts are legitimate truthful documentations.
One example - Where one writer gives an account such as "the soldiers were slapping Jesus, saying tell us prophet, who just slapped you" one of the other gospel writers said the same exact story, but he added they blindfolded Jesus, and we're slapping Him, saying tell prophet who just slapped you"
As a forensic, he said those types of inconsistencies are actually truth indicators. They are accidental confirmations that the authors are at the same event, explaining the same details, but from different prespective and personalities. The 4 gospels, even if they were written right next to each other, the forensic testimony would be a testimony establishing the writers were being truthful, and were not inventing conspiracies or lieing.
But they werent even written next to each other, or even in the same years. Yet they all had the same experiences.
The letters, and other historical findings from the time period, are all saying the same things, indisputable evidence, that would literally hold up in any of todays court trials as evidence of the truthful documentations of all 4 accounts.
You would have to dismiss the evidence, as though it didn't exist
and then literally decieve yourself to think he was merely just a charismatic man. You would have to dismiss Jesus and all the facts and accounts surrounding Him, and dismiss all the writers along with their detailed eye witness accounts, and dismiss either the courage or insanity of the early Church who faced extremes in persecution, and also all the others in every age that followed them to also face the same, and also dismiss all the prophets, and all their detailed writings that told of Jesus' coming!
As far as through a Virgin, He is God!
! Historians say according to all items and writings found, that Jesus truely DID live during the time followers said He lived,
AND also He was Crucified.
! There was an intensity of unreasonable growth during extreme hostilities.
! Islam grew through its followers causing extremes to others and making converts by force, as those converted caved in easily under extremes of force, with numbers, and the force behind their movement gaining in strength!
But that's not the case in the early Church of Jesus' followers. It's the opposite, they were non-violent passevist, and adversity began when they were small, yet they grew in numbers anyway!
! There were a large number of prophetic "future tellers" concerning a someone coming that looks just like the person Jesus, with details of events He would have actually HAD to be God to coordinate, unless the All the Pharisees, Pilot, and Herod also were in on the conspiracy!?!?
! Faith in this charismatic but ordinary man grew so big in spite of extremes faced by everyday people in persecutions, that
All of Time and All of History is defined by His Birth! A.D. and B.C.
These where several over 4000 years. Who confirmed incredible details that they all got right. 100 % accuracy! If we had a psychic like that, she'd be rolling in dough in just a few short years, everyone would pay to know tomorrow, and a premium would be paid for such accuracy!
2nd You have the Eye Witnesses,
If we take 4 conspirators, and they can be as smart as Harvard graduates, or as dumb as punks ...
With interagationd and investigations, each of their stories would show mis-fitting details and they would quickly and EASILY fall apart.
Even in the conveniences of communication of our present day, regardless if conspirators practice, plan, and coordinate every alibi and lieing detail, forensics and investigators will almost always still break through it all, and will almost always find the little treads, that when pulled, unravel their spun stories.
Between just 2 people, or even just 1 person lies trip when looked at with scrutiny! If for just 2 people, or even just 1, keeping a lie is difficult, then how about 4, or 12 people?
How about 100's of people keeping the lies and the same stories?
Many of the first followers were people who where 1st hand eye witnesses.
Then add the pressures from intese persecutions, a constant threat and weight around their necks meant to crush and remove these "untrue stories." While Christians lived everyday life in these violent environments in the aftermath of the Crucifixion (and also the Resurrection.) And continued against them over many generations.
And you further decrease any ability for Christianity to have progressed beyond this 1st crew.
Historically factual accounts of loyalty are recorded among 1,000,000's of meek people, not pumped up terrorists infused with radical ideas of hate and vengeance, Not testosterone happy coloseum fighters. Not people trained for battle or engaged in wars. Mild mannered fathers and mothers, people of every age, from every walk of life. The basic fishermen, tradesmen, bakers, even tax collectors. Everyday people, throughout every part of those societies.
Under extreme pressures, MAYBE a few would have been able to persevere, and willingly become lion food rather than deny their faith in Jesus, but Jesus had to be pretty charismatic for all those people to follow Him to those horrific deaths.
Heck, I think being blown up by suicide vest, knowing it will be over in just a few seconds is actually a pretty cowardice martyrdom in comparison to some martyrdoms they endured in taking a stand for something as silly as faith in just a man any man! No matter how cool He was!
But, we are talking about many, many, many everyday people, who were living simple everyday lives, to become so loyal to faith in Jesus and for the things they learned and witnessed. To the degree they chose not to deny the Lord Jesus regardless of facing severe extremes in affliction, loss of their loved ones, loss of everything, imprisonment, unimaginable pains of torture, stoning, fed to lions, beheadings, and fire and still not change their stories and their faith. And still "hold on to their conspiracies and lies.
We are talking about people, given life choices like deny this whole story and go home and bake bread for you children, or be lion food for all to watch as Lions crush your bones and rip your limbs off!
They tought Jesus was more than just a man, more than even a great man. They died for a man who WAS technically already dead and gone! That is, if there was no Resurrection!
That matters as little as the 7 Days being each 24 hours or
a million years.
If you can't see, no amount of arguing will change that.
The question isn't even relevant
The point is man is in a class of their own!
And there may well have been prehistoric men too.
Satan was cast down with a host of angels
And they may had taken physical bodies at one point.
And honestly, it actually doesn't matter to Faith in God, and the work He is completing here on earth.
If you have an ear you will seek, if not well then the time will be upon us soon, and you will figure it out then.
I am absolutely convinced of God! Not just faith I mean convinced!
The Bible is soooooo brilliant, I'm stunned at its stitching!
When you see it, it makes it extremely clear, yet it uncovers even more mysteries to be sought and found,
God is sooooo huge, and we are sooooo small, smaller than a deer tick!
Just in 1 chapter of Genesis is connections, that these prophets could NOT have done without the most advanced Government or NASA computers known to man! And even then couldn't!
Hear is just 1 set of verses, and I already see it as 5 different ways, telling 5 different things, and this is the depth found throughout the whole entire Bible. There is no doubt that God wrote it, and kept it exactly as He wrote it through every day of 6000 years!
And it all fits with each other, and isnt private interpretation.
Its on purpose to show many different things from God to His people, at different times throughout all history and future.
His Word is as Omnipotent as He is Omnipotent!
That's why in John 1 John says about "The Word"
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Doesn't this "sound" like Genesis?!?
It would take Eternity to even uncover just a portion of it, that's the crazy depth and accuracy of God, His design, His Prophesy, His Plan, His Completion!
See if you can grasp any of "It's Evolution" maybe He will let you see enough to change the direction of your heart. To atleast consider this might be more than a book.
I felt led to journal, and take apart a few verses, here is just 1 section in Genesis 1. And here is outcome so far just focused just for day 3.
Day 3 / has - 3 sections / 6 - points are in each section, except there are 7 points in the 3rd section.
6 points / 6 points/then last section has 7 points
Then God uses words like "and it was so" "He named it" and "God saw it was good" a day, a second day, a third day .... etc.
These are all defining of things like specific people, groups of people, times, events, prophesies. They are not only directing us to be people in His Image, but are directing us trough 6000 years of time!
Day 3, journal by each section, this one day has 3 specific sections.
* Then take Matt 13 and do the same. - It looks like Jesus is explaining somethings in multiple ways in just 1 parable.
Seed - fruit - are characteristics - like good fruit - love joy peace patience .... and bad fruit envy, hate, bitterness, lust ....
BUT also Seed against Seed as told in The fall in the garden, enmity between Serpent and the woman, and between serpents seed and the woman's seed, then right away Cain Kills Abel, and we see baby boys killed in Egypt as Moses escapes in a basket, we see Herod kill boys in Bethlehem, while God sends Jesus to hide for a few years in Egypt.
Image of God vs image of Satan .
Then 3rd day - Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day ... well we are talking about "A Third Day" So This all the way back to Genesis 1 is telling of Jesus Death and Resurrection!
In John 12 Jesus is preparing for the cross. And AGAIN giving instructions ...
This is how we follow Him into Eternal Life, we go to Salvation through His death on the cross, and His Resurection, ( its the "eye of the needle" It's how we become Born Again.
He says in John 12: 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, (AG)unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.
And also Harvest of souls, dividing real teachers from false teachers, and then producing real fruit that is good and ripe for His return - the "Christians" who remain, and unripe bad fruit produced by false teachers who are stumbling blocks.
See Revelations Babylon and the sea ... see in Revelations unripe fruit and winds.
Gen 1 with 6 points in each 3 sections - with last section a 7th point with evening and morning are third day even that is ... a grain of wheat falls to the earth and dies, out of it is a great tree
(as 7th point in the last 1/3) - and then He has another parable about the wheat and the tares!
And if you look at the parable of the sower ...
Jesus says, the harvest ,
"some 30 - some 60 and some 100 fold!"
Or you can read it as 1st section evening 2nd section morning third section "a third day"
I think both ways are 2 messages just in sectioning each section out with evening and morning and one a 3rd day. actually probably 10, 20, or 30.
Now as crazy as this is, I have about 30 scriptures coming to my mind that are connected, just to these few verses describing "1 Day" out of 7 in only 1 chapter of Genesis.
Now you may say, it's easy, they purposely did this.
We are talking about people who wrote in different time periods, often hundreds even thousands of years between them.
Thes words were not always understood by most of the people, they memorized every jot and tittle, but they didnt understand alot of it, otherwise they all would have easily recognized Jesus, and of course not even Judas saw his part in it all!
So these prophets were fed word for word, everything they wrote, and the message in the garden with Adam and Eve, God gave commant to Adam, and He didnt teach Eve correctly because, she added words, to "exactly what God said".
So the big rule!! Was they had to memorize every dot and cross of the T. In every generation, so the message came through EXACTLY as He gave it. Because every thing is so precise, its unbelievable!
Even when I was Journaling, I'm a big short cutter, when hammering out notes. I literally had to write it and number it line upon line, and when I didn't I was brought back to it to rewrite it, then saw the pattern I was meant to see.
So you may think it's nuts, but I know it's not!
Maybe this is for you, or maybe for someone else.
Ha lol
So your asking me what "biological kingdom"
Like that actually matters, really?
Common sense from monkeys to apes to human and from mammals who feed their young with milk.
Do you think an ape is made in the image of God?
The question isn't a science question.
And the answer isn't a biology answer.
Truth of God's Word can't be understood or defined by science, science is too small. Isn't that my point in the arguments?
Look if you can hear you will, if you can't it's because your what God calls so smart its foolishness! If you can't be humble, you can't know the greatest things there are to know.
Snippets from Prove 18
2 A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.
3 When a wicked man comes, contempt also comes,
And with dishonor comes scorn.
4 The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; ("stumbling blocks" as in Revelations? "The deep" as found in Genesis 1?)
The fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook - ("Living Waters never thirst again" ?)
The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge,
And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge. ("seek you shall find, knock door will be opened" ?)
With the fruit of a man’s mouth his stomach will be satisfied;
He will be satisfied with the product of his lips. ("The mouth speaks, whatever is in the heart" ?)
21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue,
And those who love it will eat its fruit.
Snippets from Matt 7
13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered
from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears
bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a
bad tree produce good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts
on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for
it had been founded on the rock.
26 Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
You ignore God! Then you blame Christians on not listening, you can do that all you want, but if you can't hear God's Word it's because you can't hear,
It's not a benefit to anyone to change God's Word in order to tickle people's ears.
As a matter of fact, tickling ears and diluting the truth is a stumbling block, which Jesus say "Woe to you of whom stumbling blocks come, it's better to have a millstone tied to your neck and dumped into the sea."
And in Revelation 18:21
Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer.
Matthew 18:6
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea
Do you read?
So Creation verses Evolution is a blindness and a distraction to many.
The point is not whether God chose to do it in 24 hours, or millions of years, and even if the Nithilum were civilizations of prehistoric men, God made man in "His image" when He made Adam ...!
That is a story of God's creation of His children ... and setting in motion every detail to be written we ever needed to know to be redeemed, and then changed into a nature of glorified bodies that CAN live in the His holiness and His light, so that we CAN live with Him forever.
While the rest of the world and its inhabitants from the beginning of time who missed out, are woken also to join in for this world's final destruction. ie.. Sheep / goats etc... to never exist again.
You don't understand the Bible because to you it's a sealed book.
Jesus said "ears to hear" "eyes to see"
Its also said in the Old Testament and in writing of letters and Revelations.
Here is just 2 saying it. If you have ears you will hear if not, we can talk till we both die of exhaustion and it won't give you ears!
Luke 8:10
And He said, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.
Isaiah 29
11 The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, “Please read this,” he will say, “I cannot, for it is sealed.”
12 Then the book will be given to the one who [n]is illiterate, saying, “Please read this.” And he will say, “I cannot read.”
You don't understand the Bible because to you it's a sealed book.
Jesus said "ears to hear" "eyes to see"
Its also said in the Old Testament and in writing of letters and Revelations.
Here is just 2 saying it. If you have ears you will hear if not, we can talk till we both die of exhaustion and it won't give you ears!
Luke 8:10
And He said, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.
Isaiah 29
11 The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who [l]is literate, saying, “Please read this,” he will say, “I cannot, for it is sealed.”
12 Then the [m]book will be given to the one who [n]is illiterate, saying, “Please read this.” And he will say, “I cannot read.”
"Cain became very angry and his countenance fell. 6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”
Vengeance × 7
Methushael # 5
Then Lamech # 6 Vengence 7 × 10
"The number of a man" # 6 - generation from Cain - who by the way fyi - God put an identifying "mark" on him !!!
Lamech says in a bragging song -
" .... For I have killed a man for wounding me; And a boy for striking me; 24 If Cain is avenged sevenfold,
Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”
In comparison Adam through Seth also had an Enoch # 7 - who was taken by God to a city in Heaven!
Then Methuselah # 8
(root words of name Methu = Death/Selah = Pause or Praise as it is used in Psalms.
Then Lamech # 9
Then Noah #10
"Cain became very angry and his countenance fell. 6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”
Vengeance × 7
Methushael # 5
Then Lamech # 6 Vengence 7 × 10
"The number of a man"
Lamech says in a bragging song -
" .... For I have killed a man for wounding me; And a boy for striking me; 24 If Cain is avenged sevenfold,
Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”
In comparison Adam through Seth also had an Enoch # 7 - who was taken by God to a city in Heaven!
Then Methuselah # 8
(root words of name Methu = Death/Selah = Pause or Praise as it is used in Psalms.
Then Lamech # 9
Then Noah #10
Your a blind ding dong!
A donkey! Animals only understand their instincts, you my dear may just be an animal. Cain's line became simply animals.
You answered so quick, that I know you gave 0 thought to understand it.
So the conversation is futile!
If I give you something to think about would you?
Or is your 1st thought how to argue it?
Read it! Then read it again trying to understand it. Because it's actually just a snippet that's pretty mind blowong.
Remember story of Cain and Abel?
How about Isaac and Ishmael?
Here is something not popularly known about Cain and his family tree.
Cain is the (1st generation), and he fathered
Enoch (2nd generation) Cain built a city named after his son Enoch, then Irad (3nd generation), Mehujael (4th generation)
Methushael (5th generation) root words of his name
Methu = Death / Shael = Sheol
Lamech (6th generation) - 6 the number of a man, this maybe a message of insight here!
Especially compared to the geneology of Seth!
Cain murders 1 and lies to God, Lamech murders 2 and brags about it to 2 wives, after he killed a man and a boy in vengeance, while declaring even greater severe vengeance!
Lamech also marries 2 Wives, which is not what God commanded He made them male and female... to become one flesh!
In the geneolgy of Cain, there is an Enoch # 2.
And, there is also an Enoch # 7 in Seth's geneology. - God takes his son # 7 Enoch to Heaven without dieing, while Cain dead in this world names a city after his son Enoch.
(Seth of course is Abel's "replacement" as stated by Eve "since Cain murdered him")
So in the 6th generation of Cain, Lamech the direct son of a man whose name means death-sheol sings praise of murder hear what he says ...
Genesis 4
23 Lamech said to his wives,
“Adah and Zillah,
Listen to my voice,
You wives of Lamech,
Give heed to my speech,
For I have killed a man for wounding me;
And a boy for striking me;
24 If Cain is avenged sevenfold,
Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”
FYI Ishmael wasn't a mistake, he also was born at the
"appointed time"
God say "at the appointed time" over and over and over again, such as in when fulfilled promise to Abraham and Sarah "when" conceived Isaac "at the appointed time" then there is the story to us ... when Abraham was "100 years old" He fathered Isaac ... and "86" When "Ishmael" was born.
Here is a very important prophesy given to Ishmael's "Egyptian" mom "
"Sarai treated her (Hagar) harshly, and she fled from her presence.
7 Now the angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 Then the angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.”
10 Moreover, the angel of the Lord said to her, “I will greatly multiply
your descendants so that they will be too many to count.”
11 The angel of the Lord said to her further,
“Behold, you are with child,
And you will bear a son;
And you shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction.
12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand will be against everyone,
And everyone’s hand will be against him,
And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”
Does this sound like anything to you???
Umm yeah, it's a prophesy that grows, and is part of Israel's history up till end time prophesies fulfilled in final days.
Now this is a prophesy showing Israel's enemies, and every nation's part in it!
How telling!
Well these specific events and time periods are time setters designed by God "in completeion" of all His work!
And every detail we need to guide us is literally in the Bible everywhere, in everything, every story, every parable!!! Even in geneologies, what I've seen in Genesis from Adam to Noah and through Cain's geneology is end times mindblowong! Along with many other things that I've seen in Genesis.
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Jesus was not ever coming on the "2000 year Millenial" like many thought whit hype of computers shutting down etc ... if you remember that hype. (And fyi, I didn't buy into that hype at all!) But now I do see a time that is pretty much a clear "appointed." (believe
Its a time to get His people ready, and a breathing space that many Christians will take as "peace and safety!" While His true people get to work, and this is in about 5 parables Jesus told .... and in prophesies from Genesis to Revelations!
I mean amazing!!
When God made the world in Genesis, He ALSO established an "appointed time" for every act of prophesy that day from the beginning to end!
The Bible is so amazing, but without the Spirit of God in us it's an unknown wacky Book, with nice object lessons, but a book of riddles! But with the Spirit of God in us and showing us, Man! It opens up eternity, like your swimming in a deepest crystal clear river, with Living Waters rushing through every appointed time, with every wisdom ever known, with the sounds of Eternity echoing throughout the deepest cavern declaring the glory and power of God that He wove into a Book His people could hold in their hands!
Sure and if you understood it you would too.
When God made the world in Genesis, He ALSO established an "appointed time" for every act of prophesy that day from the beginning to end!
The Bible is so amazing, but without the Spirit of God in us it's an unknown wacky Book, with nice object lessons, but a book of riddles! But with the Spirit of God in us and showing us, Man! It opens up eternity, like your swimming in a deepest crystal clear river, with Living Waters rushing through every appointed time, with every wisdom ever known, with the sounds of Eternity echoing throughout the deepest cavern declaring the glory and power of God that He wove into a Book His people could hold in their hands!
Please read
When God made the world in Genesis, He ALSO established an "appointed time" for every act of prophesy that day from the beginning to end!
The Bible is so amazing, but without the Spirit of God in us it's an unknown wacky Book, with nice object lessons, but a book of riddles! But with the Spirit of God in us and showing us, Man! It opens up eternity, like your swimming in a deepest crystal clear river, with Living Waters rushing through every appointed time, with every wisdom ever known, with the sounds of Eternity echoing throughout the deepest cavern declaring the glory and power of God that He wove into a Book His people could hold in their hands!
Everyday of creation is a 1000 years of time till He establishes His Kingdom and ushers in His 7th day "rest" as His 1000 year reign, while He establishes New Jerusalem.
It's the time period of letting the earth sit for its day of rest, while His children also rest for 1000 years, before finally bringing His final Kingdom to earth "The New Jerusalem" in Revelations 21.
God say "at the appointed time" over and over and over again, such as in when fulfilled promise to Abraham and Sarah "when" conceived Isaac "at the appointed time" then there is the story to us ... when Abraham was "100 years old" He fathered Isaac ... and "86" When "Ishmael" was born.
Here is a very important prophesy given to Ishmael's "Egyptian" mom "
"Sarai treated her harshly, and she fled from her presence.
7 Now the angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 Then the angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.”
10 Moreover, the angel of the Lord said to her, “I will greatly multiply
your descendants so that they will be too many to count.”
11 The angel of the Lord said to her further,
“Behold, you are with child,
And you will bear a son;
And you shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction.
12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand will be against everyone,
And everyone’s hand will be against him,
And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”
Does this sound like anything to you???
Umm yeah, it's a prophesy that grows, and is part of Israel's history up till end time prophesies fulfilled in final days.
Now this is a prophesy showing Israel's enemies, and every nation's part in it!
How telling!
Well these specific events and time periods are time setters designed by God "in completeion" of all His work!
And every detail we need to guide us is literally in the Bible everywhere, in everything, every story, every parable!!! Even in geneologies, what I've seen in Genesis from Adam to Noah and through Cain's geneology is end times mindblowong! Along with many other things that I've seen in Genesis.
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Jesus was not ever coming on the "2000 year Millenial" like many thought whit hype of computers shutting down etc ... if you remember that hype. (And fyi, I didn't buy into that hype at all!) But now I do see a time that is pretty much a clear "appointed." (believe it or not, Trump is even in there!!)
Its a time to get His people ready, and a breathing space that many Christians will take as "peace and safety!" While His true people get to work, and this is in about 5 parables Jesus told .... and in prophesies from Genesis to Revelations!
I mean amazing!!
And from what I see it was NOT on the 2000 year anniversary of His birth, which was year 2000, (actually year 1996, because historians realized AD and BC are actually off by 4 years - imagine that, God may have purposely allowed this to provide a "delay" - as is mentioned many times throughout parables - "while the master delayed" or
"Bridegroom delayed"
"No man knows hour or day" as Jesus said! - But He pain stakingly did say when we see times and seasons we will KNOW! In other words in Matt 24 He literally giving instructions! Detailing things, where to look, and telling us as time gets near there are appointed times and signs and seasons to understand in the Bible that correlate to what we see in history and current events.
Because the times are literally in there. And as time gets closer ... He is revealing .... and even says "revealing" things would be done at appointed time!
6000 years from Jesus' Death and Resurrection, is the TIME!
Not on the day or hour, but in that time period. We are in the end of day 6!
Every 1000 years is a day!
It's a scripture starement in Peter and also in Psalms! And if your read Ecclesiastical A time foe everything chapter, it shows appointed times, along with its object lesson.
Each 1000 years is a time keeper of events ... from putting Cain and Abel in, to replacing Abel with Seth to the births of Isaac and Ishmael into the world and into the timeline, to prophesying every single thing!
So one thing I see is, the 2000 year anniversary of the 1st Resurrection which is 2029 to 2033 is the approximate date (its a marker, could be before or after, but its around this marker in the prophesy timeline) declaring the final acts of this world, and the fulfilling of the prophesies of the "2nd Resurection"
(So it makes sense that if the last act is like the 1st act which is related in every way, to be a like time of final fulfillment on the Millenials (each 1000 years!)
When he comes with a trumpet raises the dead and transforms the saints living into glorified bodies for the 7th day - 1000 year Millenials reign!!
And it's spelled out! Hidden being revealed now!
Babylon is US. And the kings in Daniel are stages of Us growth to destruction! It correlated to Ezekiel and Revelations and Matt 24 and every where else as threads to see times and purposes!
Ear to hear, eyes to see will be blessed ... everyone else is blinded because its a riddle!
So Creation verses Evolution is a blindness and a distraction to many.
The point is not whether God chose to do it in 24 hours, or millions of years, and even if the Nithilum were civilizations of prehistoric men, God made man in "His image" when He made Adam ...!
That is a story of God's creation of His children ... and setting in motion every detail to be written we ever needed to know to be redeemed, and then changed into a nature of glorified bodies that CAN live in the His holiness and His light, so that we CAN live with Him forever.
While the rest of the world and its inhabitants from the beginning of time who missed out, are woken also to join in for this world's final destruction. ie.. Sheep / goats etc... to never exist again.
What would it be like if God didn't really exist, if there was no Maximality and no Maximum Greatness Potential?
Without any basis of standard of Maximality qualities?
If there is no basis for Conscience without a Maximality to define and establish a standard of conscience, then how does conscience exist, and an even more disturbing question, why is it exclusive to 1 species? So then why would conscience exist among humanity, yet not exist in any other living thing produced in the same possible world?
Wouldn't it make sense that if conscience was evolved, that there would be further samplings of conscience in the same possible world?
1 - Nothing exists if No-Maximality is exemplified
2 - Maximal greatness is possible only if Maximality is exemplified.
3 - Without Maximality, then Maximal Greatness is impossible!
4 - Since Maximality exists, ONLY those who are made in the image of Maximality can achieve the highest possible Maximum Greatness in the image of Maximality!
5 - Those who are made in the image of Maximality achieve Maximum Greatness by an ever present goal within themselves, and set before themselves ever reaching for their Maximum Greatness with standards reflective of the image of Maximality!
6 - The goal to achieve Maximum Greatness can never achieved if Maximality is altered by a lesser image of Maximality in any and every possible world!
7 - Maximum Greatness is achieved by reaching it's Maximum Potential in it's Maximum Purpose through achieving it's highest possible likeness to an unaltered image of Maximality.
The rule of logic leading to Maximum Greatness, by standards of Maximum Excellence.
Qualities pertaining to Maximum Excellence in Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Moral Perfection necessary to achieve Maximum Greatness is determined by the highest possible Evolution in any and every possible world.
Maximum Excellence is point of reference, and Maximum Greatness is point of reference!
1 Maximum Greatness exists in any and every possible world.
2 Maximum Excellence exists in every possible way relative to the greatest or at the very least minimum application necessary to achieve it's highest possible evolution to Maximum Greatness in any and every possible world.
3 If any of the possible worlds consists of only ants and bugs, then Maximum Excellence is whatever qualities are necessary to achieve it's highest possible evolution to Maximum Greatness in that possible world.
4 So Maximum Excellence is relative to the greater or at least minimum applications necessary to achieve highest evolution of Maximum Greatness for any and all possible world.
5 Maximum Excellence entails the application of qualities necessary to achieve Maximum Greatness relative to any and every possible world.
6 There exists a Being of Maximum Excellence relative to the greatest or at least minimum qualities necessary to achieve Maximum Greatness in any and every possible world.
7 Maximum Excellence as Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Moral Perfection are relative to the greater or at least minimum application necessary to achieve it's highest possible evolution to Maximum Greatness in every possible world.
8 What is impossible in one possible world, may be be possible in other possible worlds.
9 What is possible in one possible world may be impossible in another possible world.
10 The proposition, there exists an Omnicient, Omnipotent, and Morally Perfect Being of Maximum Excellence relative to the greater or at least minimum application necessary to achieve it's highest possible evolution to Maximum Greatness in an actual possible world.
11 So the conclusion is there must be a Maximum Excellent Being in any and every possible world that has the greatest or at least minimum qualities necessary in Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Moral Perfection relevant to the acievement of highest possible evolution in Maximum Greatness in that actual possible world .
12 - Nothing exists if No-Maximality is exemplified
13 - Maximal greatness is possible only if Maximality is exemplified.
14 - Without Maximality, then Maximal Greatness is impossible!
15 - Since Maximality exists, ONLY those who are made in the image of Maximality can achieve the highest possible Maximum Greatness in the image of Maximality!
16 - Those who are made in the image of Maximality achieve Maximum Greatness by an ever present goal within themselves, and set before themselves ever reaching for their Maximum Greatness with standards reflective of the image of Maximality!
17 - The goal to achieve Maximum Greatness can never achieved if Maximality is altered by a lesser image of Maximality in any and every possible world!
18 - Maximum Greatness is achieved by reaching it's Maximum Potential in it's Maximum Purpose through achieving it's highest possible likeness to an unaltered image of Maximality.
It all comes down to these questions.
What is necessary for any world to exist?
What is necessary for any world to exist, and without this which is necessary then no possible world could exist?
What is necessary for any possible world to exist?
What is the 1st piece needed beyond the last known layer?
When we peel back every layer down the nucleus of the base core, the final layer out of which all things began, what is necessary for our actual world?
So if we peel back to 1st speck, back to evolutions 1st spark of energy that started the chain reaction of all creation would have to have every building block of our creation, the complexity of our entire world, to the highest possible form of possible evolution achieved, with every detail contained in a speck the size of rhe 1st spark, the size of a mustard seed.
A few interesting rambling thoughts:
Jesus discussed faith the size of a mustard seed could move mountains into the sea. So If our faith is that powerful for us, what is God able to do with a mustard seed???
Its a funny thing that Jesus referred to the kingdom as going through an eye of a needle, and also as a mustard seed.
And Speed of light we now know, and I don't actually grasp.
But I grasp enough to see a connection He is light, there is NO darkness in Him. He is eternal life and the light.
In the New Jerusalem there will be only day. Are light years days in heaven talked about from almost every prophet?
1 - Nothing exists if No-Maximality is exemplified
2 - Maximal greatness is possible only if Maximality is exemplified.
3 - Without Maximality, then Maximal Greatness is impossible!
Your kind of messed up about women and your limited on the subject.
Your like wandering in the desert holding so tightly to little when there's so much more in the Word
I'm not discussing the subject with you any more.
Its not worth doing till you are open.
Did you listen to the audio.
It should help you in in relating to women in discussing scriptures.
http://cbesydney.org.au/2015/05/
I had to look up your whole sentence LOL!
You must be brainy!
Thanks for mentioning it, I hadn't heard of it before.
I love this easy to understand clip I have linked showing
the Modal Ontological Argument by Alvin Plantinga.
I love the logic to answer absurd arguements mentioned in the video are arguments commonly given. And they leave me thinking "duh that's a ridiculous argument" not apples to apples. They points are crude, undefined, unthought out nonsense arguments that leave me feeling like there is no intellegent work in their answers to disprove the existence of God by people who use broad strokes taught to them in evolution and nonsense argument when it comes to and how did the 1st speck appear?
http://www.strangenotions.com/
So I was really glad to hear this argument because it comes down to a bottom line that clearly compares ridiculous to logical. So now I can put that feeling to words and show them why their argument is ridiculous compared to a true logical answer.
Judas didn't buy the field the Pharisees did, and the payment was to murder Jesus not to murder Judas!
5 Then Judas threw the silver coins down in the Temple and went out and hanged himself.
6 The leading priests picked up the coins. “It wouldn’t be right to
put this money in the Temple treasury,” they said, “since it was payment for murder.” 7 After some discussion they finally decided to buy the potter’s field, and they made it into a cemetery for foreigners. 8 That is why the field is still called the Field of Blood.
9 This fulfilled the prophecy of Jeremiah that says,
“They took the thirty pieces of silver—
the price at which he was valued by the people of Israel,
10 and purchased the potter’s field,
as the Lord directed.”
Here is a Biblical presentation which curiously goes through examples of women as prophets and teachers and also goes into the attitude of hearts in women and men.
Please listen to the audio
http://cbesydney.org.au/2015/05/
http://newlife.id.au/
So all women are decieved and there is no truth in them.
Are we not heirs also???
You can't see anything wrong with the attitude of your heart in matters relating to women?
You are using scriptures to defend a faulty sinful attitude.
Go talk to your pastor, your supposed to be under them.
And you need help through this to see clearly.
You use scripture to say you are right because you are a man, and I am wrong because I must be decieved because I'm a woman.
And that's not ridiculous in your mind.
You are literally doing what Adam did the woman.you made is decieved so I am only right or wrong based on her being decieved
Honestly you need to never use those scriptures because you use them to sow fig leaves.
Truth is to set free! Not put down into submission.
1st of all look at the Scripture a women is supposed to subject herself.... Not a man is supposed to subdue!
Your attempt with scripture is to subdue. To rule over, to be right!
2 Tim 2
22 Run from anything that stimulates youthful lusts. Instead, pursue righteous living, faithfulness, love, and peace. Enjoy the companionship of those who call on the Lord with pure hearts.
23 Again I say, don’t get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights. 24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. 25 Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. 26 Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.
And I must tell you your error with the use of your scriptures about women.
Ready here it is...
You use it to say you are right in your doctrines because you are a man. Those scriptures ABSOLUTELY do NOT mean you are right because you are a man. That is a sin of pride, and its just as screwed up in doctrine as it can get regarding women.
1st of all I assume I am a good bit older than you, and I think there is something about older women being looked at as mothers able to guide in spiritual matters and practical matters.
2nd of all we are not IN church together and you are just a man discussing scripture with a woman.
You are not my husband
Not my pastor
Not a leader in my church
And you logic is EXTREMELY faulty, because by what you are saying... a woman should cover their head, is that by every man?
Even antiChrists? Even false teachers? Who determines which men have authority over women? Well it must be all????? Really??????
You being a man and me being a woman is irrelevant here.
If there is any relevance you should look to my maturity as an older woman as honorable!
1 is simply being respectful and giving honor for age and maturity.
But you as a man DO NOT cover my head in ANY Biblical context!
So please drop that foolish argument with me it doesn't and will never carry any authority over me as a Christian or as a woman.
I have a husband I have my head covered.
And we are not in church. And I don't subject myself to authority God did not designate.
Ok?
So argue my points. Or don't talk to me because I'm a woman
Your choice!
As in maturity I have you by age and most likely I am more mature spiritually also. At least currently. My assumptions are from our conversations, and what I've seen in your post in general.
You need to grow. I've been around as a Christian for 30 years, I've seen almost every attitude within your post, sometimes even in myself.
I'm not being mean, I'm telling you knowing growth happens, and some times its a 2 step, 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But eventually you do- se- do
In a sense you are correct and then the rest you are incorrect.
Conscience is both men and women.
Women are unique from men in that they can be decieved more easily emotionally. Its the nature of both beasts.
Men being more objective and task oriented, often have women at a disadvantage emotionally. AND no degree of feminism will change it. And they try! The push to equalize a physical relationship.
Guys and gals will always be different on processing it.
Usually the girl thinking more than the guy, being decieved.
The girls who fight so hard to dull their consciences, have to devalue themselves to achieve it. And it hurts them no matter how they act on the outside. They are decieved by denial.
But man is a term of humanity
Both man and wo-man.
So you have to consider context in your conclusions
Ahh lots about Judas!
Provide 20 - we see Jesus the friend who is faithful and wounded
And Judas offers the false kisses of an enemy !
Faithful are the wounds of a friend,
But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy.
Remember Joseph, the favored child of Jacob, the other name for Jacob, later given the name Israel?
Do you remember how the brothers beat him and left him for dead, then sold him?
Only to have Joseph save them even after their betrayal. And to be in a position of power because of betrayal, to then save them from an extreme famine?
That's a picture of Jesus being rejected by Israel and being betrayed by a payment. And then forgiveness to Israel and offering Salvation despite their cruel behavior.
A clearer prophesy specific to Judas -
Pharisees were shepherds of the Jews, they were their pastors,
This is a word of God saying how little value they placed on Him.
They paid 30 pieces of silver. The Pharisees had all this memorized, you'd think they could have changed prophesy, right? Yet they couldn't and didn't!
Zechariah 11
10 I took my staff Favor and cut it in pieces, to break my covenant which I had made with all the peoples. 11 So it was [r]broken on that day, and thus the afflicted of the flock who were watching me realized that it was the word of the Lord. 12 I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. 13 Then the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the Lord.
So now consistency and no contradiction.
We have Judas who is know to betray.
Jesus mission was to die on the cross and rise in 3 days!
So He followed the prophesied of how when and why.
If you think it's a contradiction to choose the betrayer, then you don't understand prophesy. Prophesy is what will happen, not what may happen, or changeable in some way.
Prophesy is a word that comes TRUE!
So it would make make prophesy untrue to deviate from what is prophesied. And since there was no lie in Him, He could not deviate from the TRUTH of prophesy. Afterall, Jesus is the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us!
The word says:
Isaiah 55
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it bear and sprout,
And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
So where is this contradiction, or inconsistency?
I think I showed the same thing from 3 authors Matt Mark and John and its in Luke too.
All authored these writings at different times in different places recounting their memories without conferring with each other to make sure they all spun the same story.
Think of it like this you have 3 guys rob some stores. And 1 clerk gets shot. The 3 bozos put their heads together and construct a story, all agreeing to the same false story.
How does that usually work out when they actually have to state lies during different times of the investigation?
But if the 3 guys actually told the truth, the whole truth. There is no deviation because details are recalled as memory. Not memorized with a conflict to their memories.
See when people lie together there are 6 accounts present in the mind. 3 true accounts and 3 fabricated accounts.
That's hard to do, even in a short term with coordination, and it almost always gets mucked up!
But 3 truth accounts are a piece of cake. You may have a different prespective from each. But they dont usually contradict each other.
Most times even with a different prespective if truth is being told the picture of the scene can be reconstructed from either prespective giving an accurate picture of the event.
The Bible is historical and preknown events, with scriptures detailing information to us that we need to know in order to successfully follow a path to God. And to be children of God, and to eventually live eternity with Him in a New Heaven and a New Earth as this one will eventually be destroyed.
This is a conversation Jesus had before His betrayal.
We see Jesus knowing 1 will betray and knowing the 1 who betrays will condemn himself by his own conscience!
9 I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; 10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. 11 I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You.
Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12 While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
The Disciples in the World
13 But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves.
Jesus also prophesied they will strike the Shephard and the sheep will be scattered. That's exactly what happened. It was a commotion. Like us, even though Jesus was right in front of them telling them the order of events, the itinerary, they still were caught off guard. Peter cut off an ear of the soldier, the followers were going nuts, then they fell back feeling their lives also would be taken. They were scared! Yet most of them later faced severe situations of imprisonment, being fed to lions, lost their heads, stoned, murdered! Peter was the only one that I know of that was also crucified. And Jesus pre-telling told to Peter this would be his way of following Him in death.
In John 21 - Its interesting also Jesus makes Peter answer 3 times of his devotion.
So we see Jesus saying He will betray 3 times, and also profess his devotion 3 times. Jesus knowing that when Peter is strengthened he will tend sheep like Jesus did, and will follow Him in death.
John 21:
Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.” 16 He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.” 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Tend My sheep.
18 Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to gird yourself and walk wherever you wished; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will gird you, and bring you where you do not wish to go.” 19 Now this He said, signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, “Follow Me!”
So not only did Jesus pre-tell both Judas' and Peter's betrayals to accuracy, He also decided to pre-tell both of their ends!
He didnt tell everyone their end. But these 2 were purposeful prophesy as a comparison.
He told of Judas' betrayal with a kiss, and then Judas' remorse leading to his condemnation of conscience, and then to his death.
He wasn't martyred in love and devotion. He lost his life in his own self condemnation. A few things here - you seem to know scriptures a bit, so I won't look email all up, feel free to look up at Biblehub.com "They honor Me with their lips, BUT their hearts are far from me."
Then Peter, Jesus asks 3 times for a declaration of love, and comforts Peter, as if to make sure Peter's conscience endures what is to come, so the guilt of portrayal wasn't Peter's final story.
And how humbling to say such big talk, only to be made a fool of within yourself. We all have that thing where we hold our heads and say how could I ... well this was one of Peter's times.
Big talker to failure, to being empowered by God's Spirit and then follow to the point of being crucified also!
So where is this contradiction, or inconsistency?
I don't understand the example as a inconsistency or as a contradiction
Judas betrayed Jesus, not sure what was in his mind in the betrayal,
Some say it was political, Judas may have thought pushing Jesus into this would force Him to take a political stand. Others think Judas was a greedy miser and 30 pieces of silver was significant to further whatever Judas justified it with.
We see conflict within him, which is typical human nature we see everday! Someone makes a mistake, is overwhelmed within their conscience. Obviously Judas had this conflict. He took the money. Identified Jesus by a kiss, and when He saw the events unfold, which he may not and probably didn't fully anticipate, it freaked him out. Doesn't that happen everyday a thousand times over. We make a decission to do something with a preconceived idea of its unfolding and outcome, only to find we were just a part of making a mess we didn't intend?
But Judas still did betray, and he didn't do what Peter did.
See you actually have a side by side comparison of that day. It's like a season of "24 Hours"
Two disciples betrayed that day!
Both were prophesied before it happened.
Judas was prophesied by Jesus as a general comment, He said 1 would betray me ... And also Judas' betrayal was prophesied
a few times in the Old Testament when prophets were foretelling
of the Messiah's death.
Peter, THE ROCK, also betrayed Jesus!
Jesus said to Peter, this day before the rooster crows you will deny me 3 times.
But then Jesus also prophesied to Peter, that Peter would be strong after that, and then will ultimately follow Jesus in death.
And Peter also was crucified later.
As far as Judas throwing the money, and them taking it to buy a field. It was spent assets and they used it in that manner.
Matt 27
Judas’s Remorse
27 Now when morning came, all the chief priests and the elders of the people conferred together against Jesus to put Him to death; 2 and they bound Him, and led Him away and delivered Him to Pilate the governor.
3 Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty [a]pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said, “What is that to us? See to that yourself!”
5 And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. 6 The chief priests took the pieces of silver and said, “It is not lawful to put them into the temple treasury, since it is the price of blood.” 7 And they conferred together and [b]with the money bought the Potter’s Field as a burial place for strangers. 8 For this reason that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day. 9 Then that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “And [c]they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of the one whose price had been set by the sons of Israel; 10 and [d]they gave them for the Potter’s Field, as the Lord directed me.”
Conscience is unique to man.
If you say conscience is conditioning, well just like the 1st act of creation was a burst of light or black hole of gravity, and the question never answered who created that 1st reaction.
Isn't nothing even something?
If something didn't exist then how then can nothing exist?
So if conscience was created by conditioning who set up the 1st conscience?
And if man isn't unique then what other creatures have also learned conscience?
And after you tell me about those creatures tell me how they passed conscience on to their dependents?
Or tell me how any other creature can also learn to have a conscience.
If we are just creatures and we developed our own conciences and then conditioned other consciences, isnt it reasonable to think there has to be at least a few other creatures that also can be taught to develope a conscience.
Memories, hmm not just education. Just memory, which other creatures have a memories like us.
I can shoot water at a cat every time she jumps on the counter, eventually she knows water hits me whenever I go up on the counter. But that's not memories.
Even animals that have instinctive memories are not like our memories. An ape may notice another ape is missing, but even that is instinct. They instinctively live in families. But the don't remember like us. A dog may forever be lol to a dead owner. But still not memories like ours. A sea turtle instinctively knows it's way back to land. But that's still instinct.
Our memories we can command, and reminiscing a past person or event. Attaching emotion to our memories.
Even the ape has memory but by instinct, but not a conscience or memories and the command of memories the same thing?
When God spoke to Moses He said His name is "I Am"
Many times God is called The Alpha and the Omega The Beginning and the End.When God spoke to Moses He said His name is "I Am"
Many times God is called The Alpha and the Omega The Beginning and the End.
If God exists who is man to question Him. Who is man to demand proof or to demand anything from God.
If He is content to create us, then shouldn't us existing be our lot in life. If we are just assembled then what is soul and what is conscience?
Besides humanity what other species has a conscience.
Conscience is right or wrong. Well you can train right and wrong.
You can train a mouse the right way through the maze to get the cheese.
You can train a dog to obey and do tricks.
Dog lovers they love you! Right? Sure they have an instinct that considers you part of the pack. They have loyalty and they live to please you, and look quilts when they tear up your couch cushions.
God made animals and brought them to Adam and no suitable help mate or companion was like him. So God made animals and even offered them as companions and help mates, but He said not suitable to be like him.
The dog does love you, but there is not really conscience, there is instinct. And the guilt he feels is a conditioned response to the reaction of displeasure he is aware of when you come in. Or he is aware every time he does this behavior it brings displeasure.
But conscience isn't just instinct. It isn't even a conditioned response.
Our consciences exist independently. We are born with a conscience, we become aware of it as we grow.
Conscience is either dulled or made sensitive.
But it existed before being molded.
Conscience can be effected by disease or environment.
But these factors have to alter the conscience we are born with.
Every decission made affecting conscience that is made in the mind isn't an act of conscience.
An act is taken disregarding conscience or in light of conscience.
Example Hitler actions weren't a result of conscience, they were a result of depravity of conscience.
Whatever was put in or pushed through Hitler was an act of depravity silencing his conscience.
Pharoah in the Moses story " let my people go" is a Bible example of a hardened heart, or conscience. A conscience can be dulled to the point of depravity. But still we all have 1.
I'm sure there was even a line Hitler wouldn't cross because of whatever was left of his conscience. Maybe he was dull there was no line left.
The question is, Did the big bang send our consciences?
What else in creation has a conscience?
A conscience can haunt someone, nag at someone, cause guilt, or justice, or cause freedom, take a stand, or take a fall.
Its something that can feel.
Its something that attaches emotion to our actions and our choices. It is the why and the motive of the heart not of the head.
Its the final say when making a list of available choices when consequences have a deeper effect than eating a piece of cake or a piece of fruit.
Our consciences isn't our preferences or our likes and dislikes.
Its a place inside that feels the choice. A piece of cake could be conscience if it's someone else's cake, or if your on a diet and cheating.
But see its a feeling about the action.
Most of us don't feel anything about our piece of cake.
Now if it's double chocolate and makes you think of mom, and you remember how you hurt her when you ran away, thats conscience.
If there is not a God then how do we exclusively have a conscience?
The Bible says God breathed life into the man and he was created a living soul.
It also says God wrote the law on our consciences so no one would have an excuse.
The 1st act of wronged conscience was Adam and Eve hiding in the garden. There is no need to hide if your conscience has nothing to hide.
Man can hide things for years because of conscience. Can any other created thing carry that weight within themselves?
Is man truely unique in creation?
The Bible says Let Us make Man in Our Image
US is the Trinity
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
