So at least you admit you are irritated. That's good

because maybe you will wake up and see the danger you are in and get saved from Hell before it's too late

So at least you admit you are irritated. That's good, because maybe you will wake up and see the danger you are in and get saved from Hell before it's too late.

Now, if it irritates you that I'm not likely to read more than a few words from you, and I have read no farther in your post here than what I have responded to, then be irritated.

Bob, the Bible talks a lot about fools........no point in arguing with them. If you want evidence Hell is real, you don't have to pester me about it, just wait and you will get your evidence.

If you want to be an animal, then by all means be an animal. That means you are no better than the turkey I ate on Thanksgiving day. I'm a man, made in the image of God. You can be a turkey if you want to.

There's no nice way to say it, this is stupid. If the universe were eternal, it would break down through entropy. It must have had a beginning as it is undergoing entropy, the entropy started at a point in time........and it wasn't the stupid singularity which was nothing but it exploded and tuned into you.

The Bible answered this stupidity 2000 years ago......."they worship and serve the creature (created thing) rather than the creator". You're trying to equate the universe with God, the created thing with the creator. There is no comparison.

at least I don't see you cussing, but it still seems like you are bitter and grumpy and it's tiring so I don't much read your stuff anymore.

You don't want evidence, you want to believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell and only the fire of Hell with you in it can make you doubt your rock head

You want evidence that Hell is real, and sinners don't get out of it, just wait, you'll get your evidence the hard way. fool

See my friend, the way you have acted toward God, can you blame Him if He leaves you in Hell? You can, but it won't get you out. In Proverbs it says God will laugh at your calamity, and not hear when you cry out to Him because you rejected all of His counsel.

There are several people on here I do everything I can to get them to leave me alone, and you seem to want to be in that club, so why don't you take a hike?

why don't you go take a long hike, come back in ten years or so if the Lord gives you that much time, and see if I miss your attention you jerk

I assume you are something resembling the northbound end of a southbound cow.

I say it is, you say it's not...........what are we talking about? This is pitiful, it's becoming more and more childish. You have to prove you have the right to live outside of Hell, or you burn in Hell forever, believe it or not. I'll leave you with that. Have fun trying to make God void and deny Him of Justice

Hell is the point of your contention, you are contending that you have the right to live outside of Hell. Prove it. Your dying proves you wrong, but go ahead and try to prove you have the right to exist outside of Hell. You're going to find out you are wrong, there is no need for me to prove anything. Believe it or not.

You want God to be gone so Hell is gone, and your life is justified and your death is ok. Wrongo, Bobby boy.....death is justice and your life is lost, and God is still on His throne and Hell still confines sinners and you will be there before too long if you won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Prove me wrong, find out for yourself.

Your willful ignorance precludes evidence, so go on and try to prove you have the right to live outside of Hell. I don't need to be here, don't really want to bother watching you destroy yourself.

Excuse me whiner, please show where I preached about how they are to treat each other? Or are you lying, liar? And bonehead, if you will read the gospels, you'll see that Jesus was very blunt and repeated his warnings of Hell when he dealt with those who hate Him.

What good is love if evil is tolerated? What good is your lying rant on me? Liar, liar, pants are on fire.

So you have rested your case against God. It doesn't freak me out. I saw a little girl get killed by a car on the street, I'm sure she was not cursing God or asking for proof of Hell.......that was around ten years ago. My brother was killed on his motorcycle when I was 28, by an apparent drunk driver, hit and run, police could not prove it was that guy but we know it was him. One of my other brother's best friends brother was killed on the street by a car right in front of the house where I was hanging with buddies......we ran out to the street at the sound, we thought it was my other brother laying there, same hair......but it was my other brother's best friend's brother. My best friend's step brother was killed on that same stretch of road around that time......a real joker that guy was though he was seriously reading his Bible and trying to figure things out. A cousin of mine, 26 years old and seemingly healthy as a horse, dropped dead on the sidewalk as he was jogging. I could go on and on with true stories like this, and many more from the experiences of other people I know...many who were flatly told today could be their last chance to be saved and then they went out rejecting the Savior and were killed that very night in an accident. Some of the people here who got mad at me and then disappeared after I told they why and how to be saved......and I wonder where they went.

A friend of mine was driving when a thunderstorm was starting to kick up...guy riding his bike on the sidewalk as my friend was driving pass........suddenly BOOM!!! Lightning bold crashed right next to the guy on that bicycle. My friend rolled down his window and yelled as the shocked face on the bike, "SOMEBODY"S TRYING TO GET YOUR ATTENTION!!" The guy who yelled that is a fairly well known gospel singer, worked in home services on some extremely famous people's homes in the tri-country area, I can't name names but you would be impressed.....not sure if my singer buddy is still alive, old friend of my family.

I faced death more than once myself....gun pointed at my head, accidents, assaults, robberies....once I got robbed and beat up by a gang, as they strolled away knowing the police would come before long I yelled some good old fashioned Hell fire and brimstone preaching at them, told them they better get saved the same as I tell you. Your time is counting down to zero, and zero may come at any moment. Then, if you have not yet believed, you will get the proof you imply God is unable to deliver to you. Oh yeah, another true story I have to throw in here....the son of a friend of mine gets a knock in his door one day. Opens the door and there stands the man who a few days prior said they were working on organizing neighborhood watch......standing there with a shotgun pointed at my friend's son, was just a robber who cased victims by using the neighborhood watch story. The son lived but got maimed when he put up a fight.

And again, comparing Hell to dragon land is a straw man argument. Who cares if they wake up in dragon land? So they can be dragon fighters. Big deal. If Dragon land is real, who cares?. The only place you really don't want to be is in eternal fire frying like eternal sausage. The threat of Dragon land is not a valid comparison to Hell. Hell is the only place you really want to believe is imaginary and not real. Any other place would not be so bad to be concerned about. It's the same thing comparing God to the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Zeus.......who cares if those straw men are real? It's only God you really care about dispelling. Whenever people argue against God, they create a straw-man version which is not God but rather has faults and weaknesses which God has none of. That's what you are doing with places that are less than Hell and gods which are less than God.

It is not my job to prove God or Hell are real. It is my job to try to tell people how they can be saved. There is nothing I can do if you will not believe. There is plenty of evidence, plenty of reason to believe; dying should tell you that you need to be saved from dying, and common sense should tell you only God can save you.......and then reason should tell you that your sin has to be paid for and God Himself paid with His own blood because He loves you and wants you to be forgiven.....and then the goodness of God should lead you to repent of your sin because He is being patient with you and giving you time after you cursed Him.

You've stated your case against God and have rested your case I guess. Now it's only a matter of time before God answers you, isn't it? You think He won't answer? I hope you have time to think again. You can't expect God to be patient with you forever, He's already given you much more time than you deserve the way you taunt Him. I don't know why God allowed me to live the way I acted when I was younger, don't know why he kept me from getting killed or crippled so many times.....except that He had a plan for me of better things than I can make for myself. He has a plan for you also, but you are denying God so He can't give you His blessings and yet He is giving you time.....not wanting you to be in Hell. We both would be burning in Hell now if we got what we really deserve. It in only by the mercy of God that we are not consumed. The only thing new in this world is God's mercy..every moment of time we have is a gift we do not deserve. We are on borrowed time, and there is a reckoning coming. God Himself paid the price of our time as sinners, paid with His own blood on the cross so He is righteous to spare us judgment for a time, and righteous to condemn us in Hell forever if we will not seek His pardon believing He is risen from the dead.

So these things I'm saying should be for you a rebuke from God, a hint of a sign of Judgement coming, but God will not force you to hear or to see. If you want a reality void of God's correction and void of God's goodness, then you won't be corrected and you will find nothing to indicate any sign from God that He is good...He is giving you what you want, but the only place you can really have what you want now is in the fire of Hell and God really does not want to give you what you want or you would be there now........and the only reason anybody rejects God is because of their own lusts for money, sex, or power, they don't want God telling them what to do or what not to do; so there is no way they can know the blessings of God........and God says "peace, peace, to them that are afar, and to them that are near", but you wont have it, will you? You love the pleasures of feeling strong and great and independent more than you love life, don't you? You just want to do your own thing and defy God all the way into eternity, don't you? If you rest your case this way forever, there will be no rest for you in Hell, sorry friend.

Jace is a sodomite who hopes to escape reality in death.. I don't read his stuff and I'm not reading yours. I insist you prove you have the right to remain outside of Hell. If you believe there is no Hell, that does not prove you have the right to remain outside of if. I also insist you prove you are not a fool. If you say there is no God, you are a fool. I insist ............ah, I insist is a joke. You are not God, go insist somewhere else.

I'm going to insist that you find proof of Hell, and I know you will. Don't believe me? Not my problem, Bob.

So much for that miracle, I figured it was only an illusion.

It's you again? I'm glad to see you are not in Hell................................................

You're not discussing the subject with me anymore? A MIRACLE!!! A woman letting a man have the last word. wow

Keep insisting you don't need to be saved and see if you wake up in Hell. You say you are ok with death, prove it. As long as you are running your mouth, you have not proved it. See if you don't wake up in Hell.

if you are going to divide woman into two words, it would be "woah, man"...or "woe man"

God made man in his own image, and then rested. God made woe man, and nobody has rested since.

You have to consider that I find you funny and your compromise with evolution and big bang belief heretical. I still have not seen you respond in any way to my request for your comments on Exodus 20:1 & 11

You don't want the evidence or you would use your lazy ignorant fingers and do a little googling of "science against the big bang and billions of years of time".

Why don't you go take a long flying leap and see if you don't end up in Hell? Or take a long walk, maybe a hundred years long, and see if does not lead you to Hell? Have a nice trip. Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall, and it's a lot more fun talking to my dog although I do get a kick out of how you grind your teeth over me pointing out your futility.

Do you expect me to pull Hell out of my back pocket and stick in your face? The proof you are asking for is coming, and you'll be sorry you get it after insisting it is not possible. Believe it or not.

If you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell, prove it for yourself, I already know you are wrong.

Your doctrine is false and I'm going to speak against it and I get a kick out of pointing out how the woman is not supposed to usurp authority over the man as you try to tell me what to do, how to think, and how to act.

There is no need to compromise with big bang or evolution believers, there is no need to believe in those things for study and research in any area or science. When you believe in those things, you have to change the Bible and that compromise denies the power of God and divides Christians....it's your crowd responsible for the division as the word of God plainly states, God Himself speaking, that He created the heaven and the earth and all that is in them in six days. True science requires no belief contrary to the literal six days of Creation.

It's a mistake to tell scientists that the lies they believe regarding the big bang and evolution can be supported by the Bible. You might was well toss your Bible out the window.

oh great, she can't hold consistent biblical doctrine and now she's doing a do ce do dance.

YOU HAVE SINNED AGAINST GOD, HE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL YOU AND LEAVE YOU IN HELL FOREVER, IT IS ONLY BECAUSE HE IS MERCIFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT BURNING IN HELL NOW WHEN YOU HATE GOD AND WANT HIM OUT OF YOUR LIFE YOU FOOLS AND IDIOTS. GET SAVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE AND YOU WAKE UP IN HELL.

You're funny. ..................................................................................

Please, quit trying to tell me that you wear pants better than men do.

that's good. Now explain why Paul said the woman should not usurp authority over the man, because the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

And I'm sure you are referencing Deborah, who rubbed it in the face of the man who was supposed to be trusting God and taking the lead when she took the lead for battle. It was a disgrace that Deborah had to do it, and she shamed the man who was supposed to do it.

The woman in the garden lost control by being deceived. Women tend to want power in order to regain control, hence the feminazis demanding "equality". The man in the garden lost respect because he was not deceived and knew exactly what he was doing when he disobeyed God. Men generally want respect, and women gain power by refusing to respect men. Then the women get mad and start wearing pants and shoulder pads.

I don't believe anything you say, Bob .

You're on your way to Hell, Bob. I don't have to prove it, it's being proved.....and you will know it sooner or later. You're a fool, Bob

Why do you want to argue? As long as you are arguing outside of Hell, you think you have proof of your right to exist outside of Hell? you're losing it, Bob.

You want proof now? God is going to give it to you. How stupid can you be to say "prove it".

Who told you that you are smarter than God? You're not even smarter than the devil

You're a blooming idiot. I'm proving you are on your way to Hell, and you say you are not on your way to Hell. We'll see who is wrong, won't we?

I"m pointing at the place you are going, it's Hell. You will see, I'm proving it by letting you go there.....and really, you want proof and being in the fire is the only way you will believe so go ahead and go.

You say there is no Hell, the only way you can prove it is by dying and seeing for yourself. Asking me to believe you is silly. You have no choice but to find out for yourself, and you are trying to avoid your burden of proof. I'm not asking for proof, you are. I'm not asking you to prove there is no Hell, you are telling me there is none so PROVE IT YOU IDIOT. Go prove it. Take a flying leap and see where you land.

The only evidence of Hell you will accept is to find yourself unable to get out of the fire. You want proof? It's coming. Just wait and see. Demanding proof now is asking for God to execute and leave you in Hell now. You're a fool.

Yes, conscience is unique to man and being deceived is unique to woman.

Prior to you being in existence, God was there and you were not. After your death is finalized, God will be there and you will be in Heaven or Hell. If you don't believe it, prove me wrong. Try getting out, make it your life goal.

You haven't the slightest clue how to argue do you? ;

You're the one asking for proof, I think you have the burden to find it....and you will sooner or later get the proof you say is not there. All I have to do is let you find out for yourself...have a nice trip.

You are dying and you say there is no proof of Hell. The burden of proof is on you to verify your assertion. I don't have to prove anything, you can find out for yourself....fool.

You who suffers from inequality! You are a complete sinner who is in danger of Hell and needs to be saved. God is the Savior, Jesus Christ is His name, He died for you, paid your price with His own blood offering you forgiveness as He is risen from the dead and able and willing to forgive all of your sin if you will agree you deserve to die and burn in Hell, repent of all your sin, and turn away from it to the Living God and let him be your life. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved from Hell. He (or she, which probably is you since you seem to feel unequal) who believes on the Son is passed from death into life everlasting. He (or she) that believes not is condemned.

For this reply, I want to focus on one of your many assertions which you carry the burden of proof for.

"Because all of us non-believers--atheists--DO exist. We live and think and reason and have all the inherent rights of life as do you."

My friend, I am glad you exist. I'm glad everybody exists. I'm glad my enemies exist. We all have the right to exist because God caused us to exist and the right to exist cannot be denied or taken away. It's God's gift. But don't you see, none of us has the right to live, it is right that we should die. We all deserve to die and we are all dying. If we had the right to live, we would not be dying. I understand the US Constitution or the Declaration of Independence says we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but in reality we have none of those rights. If we have the right to live, be free, or pursue happiness, then who do we sue when we are deprived of life, freedom, or our ability to pursue happiness?

I like to focus my arguments on simple common sense logic based on truth. Jesus said "I am the truth", and "if you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed, and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free". True freedom comes only from God and is not lost in death. We do not have an inherent right to life. Time is a gift we do not deserve. If we have the right to it, or if we deserve it, that's means it's unfair that it ends......so who do we sue over it when a loved one is taking away and they stand around singing "Undertaker, undertake, won't you please drive slow. For the body, you're a haulin', oh I hate to see it go. Will the circle be unbroken by and by, Lord, by and by? I have never heard of them standing around trying to figure out how to sue God for not giving them their rights.

Oh, and I scanned through your many assertions and see you again comparing Hell to Oz or Mount Olympus. Who cares if we must to to Oz or if we have no right to climb mount Olympus? I don't care if those places are real, they won't bother me. The only place you really care to deny is Hell. Who cares if La La land is real, who cares if the dark side of the moon is where lunatics hide at night before they come out to attack during full moons? Let's suppose they do.......so what? can't do anything about it, can I? why should I? death is going to take this body down one way or another, why should I care if I have to go to Oz or the dark side of the moon or Narnia or NeverNever land (though that one would be very scary thinking I'd be in Michael Jackson's lair, I really do hope I have the right to exist outside of that place forever.). The only place we really want to believe we have the right to exist outside of is Hell. Any place other than Hell would not be so bad as Hell, and that would be ok and much desired by people who are in Hell now.

It's the same as comparing God to Zeus or the Filleted Spaghetti Monster or the Wizard of Oz........who cares if those things are real? If they are all real right now, that's ok with me (though of course we know they are real only in cartoons). God is not like those things. Those things we are ok with. It's only God who you really want to deny. If Zeus or the Flayed Spaghetti Monster or the Wizard of Oz are really out there somewhere over the rainbow where skies are blue, the only thing you don't want to be there is God who made all things. Your Narnia or Zeus argument is a straw man argument.

Nope, sorry, the burden of proof for the reality of Hell is not on me, I'm not asking for it, I don't need it. The people who say they need proof of Hell carry the burdn of finding that proof....and they generally don't want it and can only get it when it is forced upon them.

It's not my job to prove the reality of Hell. If you really want proof of Hell, just get down on your knees and say, "God, I think you are an idiot. You can't prove Hell is real". Pray that same prayer every day you have the ability and mental capacity to do it, and one day you will wake up in Hell and have your proof and you wont' be asking for proof anymore. The burden is not mine. The burden is on the person who says there is no Hell and their burden is to try to prove it for themselves....and they'll carry that burden to the grave if they have to die to get proof of Hell.

ORRRRR, just do nothing and wait and see, make no prayer, don't try to provoke God, just do nothing and keep telling yourself there is no Hell. I don't have to prove you wrong, you can find out for yourself, can't you?

Your rejection of truth does not make your ignorance my burden of proof. Prove for yourself if there is no Hell as you believe, and there is only one way you can prove that......take a flying leap and see if you don't end up in the fire. I have no burden of proof, it's on you, not me. I'm walking away, you are not my burden.

See for yourself if you get out of being you in death, and see for yourself if you have the right to exist outside of Hell. Prove you have the right to exist outside of Hell, to yourself of course because I know you do not have that right, I"m not asking you to prove anything for me. What you believe you will just have to try to prove it for yourself, won't you? Yep, that's what you are doing, dying all the way. I really feel sorry for you but you are consistently nasty toward me and I'll give you little if any of my time to read your words. I've had enough. God has more patience than me, the proof of that is the fact that you are not burning in Hell now. The more you are thankless toward God, the more His wrath is heaped up on you. Your life is not my problem, you are destroying yourself and you can't blame God for leaving you in your destruction. Fire awaits you while you reject the Savior who will not be patient with you forever, and the way you are going I really think you will be consumed in the fire dying forever as you are dying now demanding proof that Hell is hot and burns against sin forever. Enjoy all your sin while you can if that's the way you want to go out.

See for yourself if you get out of being you in death, and see for yourself if you have the right to exist outside of Hell. Prove you have the right to exist outside of Hell, to yourself of course because I know you do not have that right, I"m not asking you to prove anything for me. What you believe you will just have to try to prove it for yourself, won't you? Yep, that's what you are doing, dying all the way. I really feel sorry for you but you are consistently nasty toward me and I'll give you little if any of my time to read your words. I've had enough. God has more patience than me, the proof of that is the fact that you are not burning in Hell now. The more you are thankless toward God, the more His wrath is heaped up on you. Your life is not my problem, you are destroying yourself and you can't blame God for leaving you in your destruction. Fire awaits you and the way you are going I really think you will be consumed by it.

What caused the forces? The forces are effects, every effect has a cause, that is natural law. There is somebody behind the law of nature, and that is God who created nature. God is the cause of natural forces. This is simple common sense.

To believe the natural forces are self existent is the religion of naturalism, in which you worship nature as the cause of your life.....while at the same time you hate nature for bringing you into existence only to suffer and die, a futile and meaningless reality you make for yourself by believing nature is God and needed no cause to exist. Only God exists without being caused.

If God leaves you to fry like an eternal sausage in Hell, will that prove He exists? No. But it will prove Hell is hot.

So now you have the right to live outside of Hell?.........................................

This is just becoming sad and pathetic.. Your behavior is becoming more and more childlike as time goes on. Grow up and do your own research.

I'd like to see you prove that you have the right to exist outside of Hell. If you can do that, then you are going to Heaven and you won't be making stupid arguments with me and trying to nitpick me to death.

I'm not the one asking for it, knucklehead................................

I'll read Corinthians, again, after I finish reading Romans. I won't have a woman telling me what to read or when to read it. I wear pants, and my guess is you wear pants too. Sorry, pants are for men.

No, I"m a man. I do not have women in authority over me to show me how to walk with God. How come the only time in Genesis where God spoke to Eve was when He called her on the carpet for her role in getting Adam to eat the forbidden fruit?

God walked and talked with Adam in the garden, and Adam instructed Eve. The serpent, Satan, cast doubt in Eve's mind about what God had said to Adam and Adam had told Eve. Eve did not know what God had said, she said God had said not to touch the fruit. Eve added that part herself, maybe Adam told her not even to touch it, but there is nothing in the Bible which says God told anybody not to touch the fruit. Like Eve, you are adding things to the word of God which are not there, and like Eve you should be in obedience to your husband and not going off in your own feelings where you can be deceived.

Adam would have done well to turn his back on Eve after she sinned. I believe Jesus would have died for Eve to save her from Hell, but Adam did not have to die with her. God would have taken another rib and made a new Eve for Adam.

If you won't listen to reason, you won't listen no matter how many chapter and verse references I post. I am not at all impressed by the way you take all kinds of passages out of context to support your additions to God's word, and less impressed by how you use so many passages out of context to support your deletions of God's word

I have already proved you are ignoring the Bible and making up stuff to suit your own feelings. The fact that you won't concede only means you won't concede.

I don't want to fight with you, I think it's a shame the way you trash the Bible and replace it with your own ideas.

I knew a man, forget what caused him to be in his predicament, forget if it was by disease or by accident, it was more than 25 years ago I sat and talked with him.

He was a total quadriplegic, tiny man in a wheel chair with arms and legs withered from not being used. He depended on people to feed him, to roll him in his bed so he would not get bed sores, to change his diaper or carry him to bathe, to brush his teeth. The man spoke with a twinkle of joy in his eyes, mixed with sorry, saying "I often ask God, why me? But then I know I'll find out one day when I am in Heaven, so it's ok, this is what God wants for me so I'll take it from his hand and trust Him to bring me through." The man asked for no sympathy, he only asked for a few moments of my time to tell me to trust God no matter what, and I am still thankful for having the opportunity to have talked with that man.

No you would not like to see that or you would see it. It's not hard to find scientific evidence against the big band.........and I call it the big band because it's just a put on show, it's just entertainment for people who think they are justified to live and death relieves them of their troubles.

All of science can be explained in full accordance with six literal days of Creation and the Biblical account of the global flood. A lot of science has to be ignored to cling to evolution and the big bang. You do not want to see the science which contradicts your beliefs because you love your religion of naturalism more than you love life, you embrace death as you serve created things rather than the Creator who will deliver you from death into eternal life if you will believe on Him and trust Him, but all you do is fight against Him so all He can do is be against you, and if you keep up the fight you lose everything in Hell. God does not lose, you are lost and will be lost forever in the fire of Hell if you won't stop fighting against your Creator.

You seem like you really are a nice lady, ok? I don't want to argue with you, had enough, you're not listening. I know you mean well but you are wrong on many points, and again, you do seem like a nice lady and I don't want to continue arguing with you.

You're going out in space. The Holy Spirit never leads contrary to the written word of God, never changes God's word, never adds to it. It's not the Holy Spirit guiding you to add things to the Bible which are not there, and in fact are contradicted by the Bible. God said He created all things in six days. If you think a spirit is leading you to believe it could have been six thousand years so you can be in agreement with scientists who believe in evolution or the big bang, that spirit is not the Holy Spirit. You sound like Acts 29 Emerging Church mysticism or something.....Pentecostal, I don't know but somebody sure has your head pumped up big thinking you understand God's word better than what God's word says.

science which claims millions or billions of years is false science and we are not supposed to support lies.

You skipped over the part where Paul says the woman should not usurp authority over the man. Besides that point, your doctrine is so far off on many points it would be silly for me to try to answer them all since you just ignore solid reasoning and jump to another topic......and I hate to say it, but your feminine instincts are in play here.

There is nothing that says the flood cleansed the ground, and their is nothing that says God lifted the curse placed on the ground when Adam sinned. A lot of your stuff is heretical, you keep adding more and more of your own feelings, adding things to the Bible that are not there, and I want to know who taught you to do that? You are adding things to the Bible which are not there in order to make yourself feel better in your methods of trying to persuade others, well intended but based on your feelings rather than on the Word of God, you are changing the Bible and God does not give permission to change His word. You are using perverted fake Bibles which have changed God's word, then you are adding your own changes as you go along. Somebody taught you this stuff or you are making it up as you go along. I heard it before, I considered this doctrine long ago and it does not hold up logically to the word of God.

To believe what you are teaching, there is no need for God to be the Creator. The vast stretches of time you allow for are the magic wand of evolution. It is not Biblical and it is not scientific, belief in the big bang or evolution is nothing but hypothesis with contradictory facts which disqualify either idea from being a theory. Any time a theory is contradicted by facts, it is no longer a theory. Evolution and the big bang never got past hypothesis and never will, and your teaching of obscurity of time is rebellious when God plainly said He created the heaven and the earth and all that is in them in six days. No field of science requires belief contradictory to the literal six days of Creation.

I remember you, we went through this kind of stuff before, you don't care what the Bible says unless you can twist it to fit your own ideas.

What you are teaching is not Biblical, why do you make no mention of the gospel, the deity of Christ, His bodily resurrection, and the reality of Hell fire?

what is your point? What are you trying to say? Can you sum it up briefly?

Why are you trying to make everything complicated? The only thing you said that makes any sense is that people are trapped in death. They can be set free, but I don't see you making any point in your doctrines....can you just get to the point and put it in a few words or one sentence?

Ok, so you got me on the fact that man was created and then placed in the garden after God planted the garden. Now tell me, why do you want to follow the clear and simple wording in this verse but you want to complicate the story of Creation by saying we really don't know what a day is, and you insist it was not a literal 24 hour day and than add all kinds of scripture taken completely out of context to support your rejection of the plain and simple wording from God's own mouth when in Exodus 20:11 God said He created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in six days?

Nature is subject to vanity, not futility, because of sin, it's falling apart because of sin, if God does not step in and stop the process it will eventually all disintegrate, every particle in the entire universe will fall apart and all of creation will dissipate. It was the cost of allowing Adam and Eve to continue in this world in the death they earned, rather than executing them on the spot and leaving them in Hell where sin belongs. Death overshadows all of creation because justice demands it, God cannot allow Adam and Eve to remain in a living world, we are in a dying world, we are in the first death, the Lake of Fire is the Second Death.

I notice two things about your doctrine, you avoid talking about the blood which is the life of the flesh and the blood of Christ which was shed for the remission of sins, and you avoid talking about the penalty of sin which is eternal condemnation in Hell's fire. I really doubt that you are saved, and I doubt that anybody except those in whatever your cult is can pretend to understand your doctrine.

The whole creation groans because sin messed it up, it's all disintegrating because of sin, man's sin. The only way God could keep man in Creation was by death permeating creation, and it started when God took the skins of an animal, a blood sacrifice picturing the Lord's blood which we are saved by faith in His blood. God's other choice was to limit death to the one who deserved it, Adam, and Eve would have gone in death to, both of them, permanently dead in Hell forever. Then there would have been no need to cover their sins with the skin of a creature. The creature and the creation go together, lost people today who believe in evolution worship and serve the CREATURE , or the creation, rather than the Creator.

With all due respect for your level of education, let me refer you to Dr.Keith H. Wanser. I'm sure you will appreciate his amazing accomplishments of education and contributions of applied science. He will speak on your highly educated level explaining the facts of science which led him to believe the six day creation account in Genesis is ........ahhhh, what's the word, can't think of the word, means valid, credible, workable, feasable, justifiable, verifiable.........

Dr. Wanser is professor of physics, California State University, Fullerton. He holds a B.A. in physics from California State University, an M.A. in physics from the University of California, Irvine, and a Ph.D. in condensed matter physics from the University of California, Irvine. Dr. Wanser, who specializes in novel and ultrasensitive optical fiber sensor devices, components and techniques, has published over 30 refereed and 18 other technical papers and holds seven U.S. patents. In 1996 he was the recipient of the School of Natural Sciences and Mathematics Outstanding Research Award.

http://creation.com/keith-h-wanser-physics-in-six-days

Here is 50 Ph.D. scientists explaining the facts I would present. Pardon me for being a bit lazy, but if you want to read it here it is. I really don't want to fight about it, I tried to present this stuff before and everybody on this site just vanished from the discussion. Nobody had the backbone to look at the vast amount of scientific evidence against evolution and the big bang. Because I tried hard to get people to look at it before, I'm not going to try the same way again. If I keep doing what I always did, I'll get what I always got........so I'm not trying to brush you off by saying find the stuff yourself, I simply think based on what happened before that you will get stuck arguing about open systems (batteries) and silly snowflakes and not look at the myriad of scientific evidence contradictory to evolution and the big bang.

the beginning of time was in Genesis 1:1. "IN THE BEGINNING....." That was the beginning. Time began in the beginning, not on day four. Your talking nonnsense.

If time did not begin until day four, how was the time counted for three days before day four? Try to use some common sense.

the beginning of time was in Genesis 1:1. "IN THE BEGINNING....." That was the beginning. Time began in the beginning, not on day four. Your talking nonnsense.

If time did not begin until day four, how was the time counted for three days before day four? Try to use some common sense.

Your hypothesis is not a theory, it's not Biblical, and it's not scientific. You don't believe the Bible so you have no business teaching it, you are not even teaching Bible you are only teaching our own beliefs independent of the Bible.

You can call me a Bible Thumper, that's fine.

The Bible stands though the Earth may crumble

and the mountains fall and the hills may tumble

I will plant my feet on it's firm foundation

For the Bible stands.

I'm a gospel preaching King James Bible believing born again disciple of Jesus Christ. You are a disciple of some men who are teaching you heresies.

The Bible says I'm supposed to condescend to men of low estate. I'm coming down to your level trying to show you that somebody is teaching you lies and making your head big so you think you know God's word better than He knows it, you think you can explain His word better than He explains it.

In Jude we are told to earnestly contend for the faith, and it's simple, the truth is simple so that a child can understand and you are trying to make all kinds of complications by twisting words and taking scripture completely out of context. You are not a Bible believer, you are being blown by strange winds of strange doctrines and casting doubt on God's word. You need to be rebuked, you probably will remain proud and not hear it but I tried.

When I hear people like you explaining all kinds of gibberish like you are doing here, I have to doubt that the Spirit of God is in you, I have to doubt that you are saved because the Holy Spirit never goes against the Word of God and you are practically making it up as you go along....led by somebody who has got your head pumped up thinking you can explain God's word better than He can.

I believe the Bible. That's all the really matters. You are trying to change the Bible, and pushing heretical teachings adding a lot of stuff that is not there.

Why do you not simply believe God when He said He created the heaven and the earth and all that are in them in six days? Why are you trying to change His word? Who do you think you are?

You are on your way to Hell where all evil will be confined. God is giving you time because He wants you to be saved from Hell, but you are going to make your bad mouth be heard until your words are drowned in the fire, aren't you?

Where are you getting these teachings? Somebody is doing you a disservice leading you in these heretical doctrines.

God said He created all things in six days. That is time as we know it. You are inventing unknowns claiming to know with NOTHING but your own imaginations to bolster your confusion of God's word.

Chapter 20, verse 11 of Exodus clearly states God created all things in six days and rested on the seventh day. If you add millions of years, or thousands of years, then you are changing the Bible to "God created all things in many years and a few days", and casting doubt on the entire Bible by implying it is open to personally tailored beliefs suiting whichever sinner is reading it. Who do you think you are to change God's word? God keeps His word and does not allow people to change it. When you change it, it's no longer God's word but your own word fraudulently claiming to be God's word.

God clearly stated that He created the heaven and the earth and all that is in them in six days. A day is not a thousand years. If you are trying to imply the verses you are quoting show a day in Genesis is not really a day, you are twisting the Bible into saying things it does not say by taking scripture out of context and abusing it to fit your non-Biblical teaching of a day not really being a day.

When God said the evening and the morning were the first day, that means it was the first evening and the first morning of the first day. To say 24 hours did not exist on the first day is lunacy. What makes you think you are smarter than God? He clearly said He created all things in six days. You are calling God a liar.

You said "So when Cain offered from the ground, he was offering from that which is cursed, as man is dust, dust from ground, groud is cursed."

The animals are under the curse of sin and death the same as the ground. The whole creation is under the curse of sin at this time. The difference in Cain and Able's sacrifice was the life's blood of the animal which represented the blood of the Lamb of God which takes away the sins of the world.

Able believed God, and by faith offered up a more excellent sacrifice. Able understood what God wanted and obeyed, Cain tried to do it his own way, not understanding why his way was wrong when he gave God his best.

That statement of comparing a day to a thousand years does not change Exodus 20:11 in which God Himself spoke (Ex 20:1...AND God spake all these words, saying,.....) and clearly stated that in six DAYS, not six thousand years, he made the heaven and earth and all that is in them. Six days is six days when the text says it's six days, and the Bible is consistent throughout regarding the six days of Creation.

God spoke Exodus 20:11 directly to Moses's face. When God says He created all things in six days, I say "wow", and you say, "God didn't really mean that, he was just using word play and being unclear about what He was saying". There is no reason to believe the Earth was not spinning the moment God created it, and He did create it in a moment by His will, He spoke it into existence in a moment. There is no logical or Biblical reason to add thousands of years between the days, or millions of years, or to say the Earth didn't spin before day 4.

The verse speaking of a day being as a thousand years to the LORD is in reference to His promised return. Applying it to Genesis 1 to say we really don't know if a day was a thousand years in Genesis 1 is out of context and is not believing God's word.

That statement of comparing a day to a thousand years does not change Exodus 20:11 in which God Himself spoke (Ex 20:1...AND God spake all these words, saying,.....) and clearly stated that in six DAYS, not six thousand years, he made the heaven and earth and all that is in them. Six days is six days when the text says it's six days, and the Bible is consistent throughout regarding the six days of Creation.

God spoke Exodus 20:11 directly to Moses's face. When God says He created all things in six days, I say "wow", and you say, "God didn't really mean that, he was just using word play and being unclear about what He was saying". There is no reason to believe the Earth was not spinning the moment God created it, and He did create it in a moment by His will, He spoke it into existence in a moment. There is no logical or Biblical reason to add thousands of years between the days, or millions of years, or to say the Earth didn't spin before day 4.

The verse speaking of a day being as a thousand years to the LORD is in reference to His promised return. Applying it to Genesis 1 to say we really don't know if a day was a thousand years in Genesis 1 is out of context and out of faith.

Chapter 20, verse 11 of Exodus clearly states God created all things in six days and rested on the seventh day. If you add millions of years, then you are changing the Bible to "God created all things in millions of years and a few days", and casting doubt on the entire Bible by implying it is open to personally tailored beliefs suiting whichever sinner is reading it.

Abel's offering was accepted because it was a blood offering. It was by the blood of innocent animals that God covered Adam and Eve's sin temporarily.

Able's sacrifice was in obedience to God's demand that sin be paid for, and it's cost is life. It was not about if Cain or Able loved God, there is nothing to show Cain did not love God. Cain was trying to please God but it was not what God wanted. It took a blood offering to atone for sin.

Your fake modern perversion of God's word dilutes the doctrine of the blood, and those fake Bibles are symptoms of your unbelief which causes you to add unbiblical stretches of millions of years to Genesis.

It's the blood of Christ which paid for our sins. It was at the cost of an animal's life that Adam and Eve were covered with it's skin, a covering for their sin. The life of the flesh is in the blood, God took an animals' life in place of Adam's life, it's blood was shed and Adam wore it's skin identifying himself with the slain animal. Salvation is through faith in the blood of the Lamb of God, not through how much we love God or work for Him.

By faith Able offered up a more excellent sacrifice. Able understood what the sacrifice meant and why it had to be God's way. You're whole post here mentions nothing of the real difference between Cain and Able's sacrifices......it's the blood.

God provided plants and multiplied them. Cain worked caring for the plants. It was the same with Able and the animals, that was their jobs. What Cain should have done was to buy a sacrificial animal from Able in exchange for fruit from his crops and offered up a blood sacrifice.

Whatever source you are getting your stuff from, if I had it in book form in my house I would burn it.

Why add to it? the evening and the morning were the first day. I woke up this morning and Lord willing, I'll go to sleep this evening and that is the end of another day if I make it that far.

You don't have to post the verses from Genesis in whatever fake version of God's word you are using. In verse 14, the correct word is "firmament", not "expanse".

Firmament lines up with modern physics as the fabric of space/time, the Higgs/Boson particle or whatever they call it. God knew what He was doing when He brought His word into English.

There is nothing in Genesis which states when the Earth started spinning. You are putting in things that are not there and are uncalled for. God's word is true, He created all things exactly as He said He did.

Look them up yourself. I presented about a dozen, maybe two dozen, here a while back and they were totally ignored, the same as they are ignored in your classrooms. It's censorship.

Slappy my friend, I respect you enough for the strengths of your character. I do not respect any form of sin or beliefs which are based on lies. Evolution is a lie, you don't need it in any field of science. It's a lie promoted as an excuse for immorality, that's all it is.

You won't destroy anything. Evolution and big bang believers stand on one side of speculation when contrary views hold up as well or better in observable and repeatable science. You can't observe evolution or the big bang, you can only believe in them. I don't need for you to provide links, I can find the stuff easily enough myself and I've probably read on all the subjects close to as much as yourself, at least close enough that nothing you present will require more than five minutes of my time to catch up on and review contrary data.....and I do not select my readings based on the beliefs of the writers. I look at both sides from sources on both sides, and the science used to support evolution and the big bang is far from conclusive. There is no need or reason to discount the literal six day creation story in Genesis. There is plenty of reason to discount evolution and the big bang.

I went through this with you before, I presented a dozen or two indisputable scientific facts which are contrary to evolution and the big bang. Because of those facts, evolution and the big bang should be considered as hypothesis which are more wishful thinking than they are scientific. And the wish is that the believer in evolution is not held to an objective moral standard by which their thoughts, words, and actions will be judged by their Creator.

As I recall, you argued with me on two or three points, but then when I posted a long list of about a dozen or so, you kinda said I got them from a biased source or something...I don't know, but nobody would argue on the points, everybody just ran away and that's modern education, censorship to avoid discussion of facts which contradict the religion of Naturalism in which you believe life is meaningless, has no real purpose, and no real value so it's ok to be promiscuous and kill babies before they are born after their mothers acted like cheap whores having fun not caring if they kill their baby to prevent responsibility.......but God keeps it on record still and nobody gets out in death. You are you forever, evolution is lying when they tell you death is the end of you. You didn't choose to be you, and you can't get of being you in death. You are not your body, you are not a hologram caused by chemical fizzes, you are in your body and you will be you when your body no longer functions in this world. God ordained you to be you because you are the only person who could ever be you. God wants you in Heaven forever in eternal life. Evolution is a religion of death, in which you believe everything has to die to make room for the new and improved things which have to die until one day some gods have taken over the universe and you think you can be one of them if you can get the science going fast enough........

sigh.....I don't want to fight with you my friend, and I don't want you to feel disrespected by me, but you cannot expect me to believe in evolution or the big bang. Long before I was a Christian, which happened when I was 23, even as a little child I saw the implications of evolution and big bang theory and knew they were trying to make me believe things they really have no way of knowing themselves. And for your "all babies are atheists by default" argument, before I knew how to talk I clearly remembering witnessing evil and throwing a tempter tantrum over it because I knew God had to be there watching what they were doing and I knew I was His because He caused me to exist, in the name of God I wanted the evil to stop. I could have been killed, that did not matter. I knew I came from God and knew I would return to him if the evil overpowered me. Without words I knew all of that, a tiny baby and I remember it clearly. Babies are from God and owned by God, on loan to their parents. And just think, if I had been aborted, who else would you get this stuff from?

Throwing millions of years in between the days in Genesis is completely un-Biblical and unnecessary and casts doubt on the entire Bible. The way you are trying to blend millions of years implies the Bible is not true at all.

A day is a time period. The text clearly states it was a day. The mystery is imaginary, the text is plain and clear, and there is nothing that says Adam was made from dust outside of the garden before he was placed in the garden. Jesus quoited from Genesis implying it was not mysterious but rather plainly stated. We were not there, just read it and take it as it is from the hand of God. There is plenty of scientific facts supporting the literal six day Creation account and Noah's flood, there is no need to read into scripture things that are not there. What you'll end up doing is opening the door for more confusion and weakening your ability to present truth, casting doubt on the entire Bible by casting doubt on the Genesis account.

That's a stupid question to ask God. Do you want Him to end your time?

Smoke another one if you can still suck air. Enjoy your LOL.

So do you want me to pray that you get your wish of being Hell or not? Yes or no. Don't be a smoke sucking chicken. You said you want to be in Hell. I can pray that God give you your wish quickly. Just ask and I will do that for you. dopehead.

You didn't answer the question. You said you would prefer being in Hell over being in Heaven with God. God determines when your time is over, if you want I can pray that you get your wish. Why should I care where you are going if you don't care....you want an eternity void of anything good from God, void of any sign that He is good, so why not ask me to pray that God give it to you quickly so you don't have to sit there and whine about your problems and smoke your brains out trying to live in a different reality?

The only passive aggressive threat being made is your passive-aggressiveness against God. On one hand, you say you want eternity without any sign of His goodness in the fire of Hell, and on the other hand you hate Him and want Him to be gone now. You are committing a slow suicide, trying to forget time by smoking your brains out before time is all gone.

If you want, I can pray that God will give you what you want without dragging time through a joint. Why don't you man up to your own words and ask me to pray God give you what you really want now?

Smoke a joint, chicken, and enjoy it while you can. You can't make God go away, you are only making yourself go to Hell....and God sent me here to try to talk some sense into you so you stop killing yourself and you just want to blow smoke at the messenger to kill my brain the way yours is being killed.

You're a pusher, do you know that? A pusher....dope head pusher pushing dope, and you think Hell does not have extra punishments for you?

The bones do not have ever increasingly human body structure. They are dead. They are bones. If they are not human bones, they are dead bones which are only a pile of dead bones, not a pile of dead bones morphing into humans.

All you are doing is trying to convince yourself that your life is justified and your moral failures are meaningless....and then blame God who you say is not there for all of your problems. You are setting yourself against God and losing the battle, but somehow the dope you smoke keeps you from seeing that you are winning nothing in death and losing everything in Hell which is the only place sin can be contained by everlasting fire. Laugh now, smoke another joint, and tell yourself how great you are if that's the way you want to go out.

Excuse me, was I talking to you again? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be talking to you again. I really don't want to read your stuff since I can tell by the first word it's nothing I want to see.